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THE ETERNAL STRUGGLE IN AMERICAN POLITICS
Republic of Utica ^ | January 5, 2007 | Cato Uticensis

Posted on 01/05/2007 1:09:32 AM PST by Cato Uticensis

In I Samuel 8, God’s people came and demanded a King. Israel’s government at that time was the Judges. A Judge would govern, along with some other junior judges, after God would speak to them. The nation was free. But many Israelites wanted to be like other countries. They wanted a monarch, to be more like them. The last Judge of Israel, Samuel, was told by God to warn the people what their new King would be like. “He will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots; and he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties and some to plow his ground and to reap his harvest and to make his implements of war and the equipment of his chariots. He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive orchards and give them to his courtiers. He will take your male and female slaves and the best of your cattle and donkeys and put them to his work. He will take one tenth of your flocks, and you shall be his slaves. And in that day you will cry out because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves; And the Lord will not answer you in that day.” (I Samuel 8:11-18)

Saul was then made king of Israel. He was supplanted by David, who passed the crown on to his son Solomon. David had fought many wars and Solomon undertook a massive building program, which included the Temple of God. As the Lord had predicted, the people of Israel were put to heavy burdens. When Solomon died he was succeeded by his son Rehoboam (II Chronicles 9:29-31). The people cried out to Rehoboam and asked him to lighten the burdens Solomon and his two predecessors had placed on them. (II Chronicles 10:4-5) Rehoboam responded thus: “My father made your yoke heavy, but I will add to it; my father chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.” (II Chronicles 14-15). At that point the Kingdom of Israel split apart. (II Chronicles 10:16-19)

I can’t help but find parallels between Israel 3000 years ago and America today. America was founded on the principle that God makes men free and other men make each other slaves. This was in the philosophies of John Locke, whose writings were the Inspiration of the Declaration of Independence. We have been given great freedom by God here in America. And Europe has wallowed in a mire of Socialism, Dictatorship and strife for the last century. Political Correctness stifles free thought in Socialist Europe, you can be fined a lot of money for speaking your mind if some bloodless Socialist bureaucrat finds what you say offensive. Soon prison terms will be handed out for those who rock the boat. And there are many Americans, our Liberal brothers mainly, who, instead of reveling in the freedom God has given us, long to have a Socialist Dictatorship or Oligarchy, so we can be like the rest of the world.

This is the eternal struggle of American Politics- the desire of Northeastern elites for an Old World Tyrant versus Heartland Americans desire for freedom and independence. I came to realize this as I read about an account of the Revolutionary War from 1775 and it detailed how the Patriots besieging Boston in the Spring of that year were scornfully called “the Country People.” Most of the Loyalist Population in America were the urban elites, mainly in the Northeast. The Revolutionary War was the first struggle between “Flyover Country” (though, of course, no flying over was going on) and the Bi-coastal Elites (though they were on a single coast at that time). The Patriots of Bunker Hill, Lexington and Concord were the forefathers of the brave people who would settle in places like Idaho, Utah, Kansas, Nebraska and Montana. The Loyalists who didn’t flee to Canada after the war were the forbearers(not necessarily the physical ancestors, but political “ancestors”) of the Left Wing Urban elites who think that Kofi Annan and Jaques Chirac need to run this country rather than its elected American president. They are the same people who preferred George III to George Washington. And there is a relatively unbroken chain of events from the time of the Two Georges down to our own where they have displayed their desire for European and later Eurasian governance.

First we have the Hartford Conference of 1814 and 1815. The upshot of this is the New England States threaten to secede from the Union if peace is not made between the US and Britain. The delegation from this conference arrived in Washington DC early in 1815 to find the people of that city celebrating the end of hostilities. We can be certain that these states would have drifted back into British orbit, their independence being only a formality, a fig leaf, as it were.

But as the 19th century drew to a close and the 20th was around the corner, the Northeastern Elites (who rode comfortable boxcars out to California and Seattle and Portland after the “Country People” had civilized the American West, making them now the Bi-Coastal Elites we know so well) their quest for their European Master took a different turn. Marxism and Socialism had caught on in the coffeehouses of Paris and Berlin and Moscow. Waves of European immigrants brought the Red Ideas to America in the late 19th and early 20th century. These people often barely escaped the Secret Police of the Tsar or the Kaiser. But were they grateful to their new homeland for safety and freedom of conscience? Not for a minute, they immediately began building Sleeper Cells with a mind to overthrowing the United States government in favor of a Red one. An Anarchist even killed our President, McKinley, in 1901. The Left of then, as today, never embraced the idea of freedom, merely they sought to use our own freedoms against us as best they can. The “Red Diaper Baby” children and grandchildren of these Red Immigrants would make the nucleus of the Leftist upheavals caused by stinky hippies in the 1960s.

But soon the fashionable coffeehouses of New York, Boston and Philadelphia had many socialists and Communists in them as well as many other Left Wing factions. The Intelligentsia of the Bi-Coastal Elites came to see the new USSR as the great hope of humanity after 1917. Yes, when Liberals tell you that everything good that ever happened came from Liberalism, they don’t talk about how they loved Joseph Stalin, supported him, adored him, even glossed over his crimes until they were no longer deniable.

The Franklin Roosevelt Administration was filled with Soviet Agents- Alger Hiss, a Harvard elitist from one of the finest New England families, was an Assistant Secretary of State. Harry Dexter White, another lovely blueblood, was at Treasury. Even the Vice President from 1941 to 1945, Henry Wallace was what is known as a “Fellow Traveler,” someone who sympathizes with and has all the same aims as a Communist, but is not officially a card-carrying member. For four years, such a man was one heartbeat away from the presidency, which was held by a man who died three weeks after Truman was inaugurated to replace Wallace as Vice President. Not that FDR deserves any great praise. The man was very nearly a fellow traveler himself and certainly one of Stalin‘s great admirers. None of this is subject to debate, as Liberals might claim, we found their pay stubs in the Old KGB Headquarters during the 1990s.

So the anti-American Independence elites then turned to Stalin as the European that Americans needed to bow down to, rather than the English King. Stalin’s USSR was the great wave of the future that they had been dreaming of, and they began to make their best efforts to turn America into another Soviet Union. Sadly, they have been at least partially successful. Soviet legal concepts that have no basis in American law whatsoever, such as Separation of Church and State, are regularly imposed on Americans by the Left. Left Wing propagandists like I.F. Stone and Walter Duranty wrote charming fairy tales about Stalin’s “Workers’ Paradise.” And Liberals believed in and delighted in them.

Many Conservatives posit “what if?” questions about if we had the Liberal Media we have today, how would world War II have gone? We DID have much the same Liberal Media that exists today during the War years. However, Hitler had invaded the “Workers’ Paradise” of their beloved Stalin five months before Pearl Harbor. So the Left was not going to do anything to sabotage any effort we might make to defeat Stalin’s enemy, Hitler. But Ronald Radosh in his book “Commies” (describing his youth as a Red Diaper Baby) relates how the Left had helped Hitler in the pre-Barbarossa days. On August 23, 1939 the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact had been signed, making the USSR and Nazi Germany benevolent neutrals towards one another. In the critical days of 1940, during the Battle of Britain, English Leftists used to spy out damage done by German planes to England, report to the Soviet embassy, where the information was promptly passed on to Berlin. At that same time and a little later, the US was sending aid to Britain under the “Lend-Lease” Program. Obeying Moscow’s instructions, American Leftists used to foment phony strikes at plants making Lend-Lease materiel, often slowing down progress. This is another thing the Left never tells us about when they are talking about how wonderful they are- their guilt of abetting the Nazis between August, 1939 and June, 1941. I think any discerning person can easily reach the conclusion that the American Leftist activists and the Liberal Media would have lied and sabotaged our efforts in WWII had Molotov-Ribbentropp still been in effect at the time of US entry into the war. Exactly the same crap they pulled in Vietnam and are pulling in Iraq right now.

When Stalin was denounced in 1956, Liberals couldn’t deny his atrocities any more. After all, the sitting Soviet Premier had just admitted the truth. Still, it didn’t stop the American Left from supporting the USSR and its proxies against their own country. Ho Chi Minh posters were popular among Leftists in the ‘60s, along with ones of Che Guevarra. Again, the Bi-Coastal Elites took the side of a foreing leader over their own country. America was not fit to be strong an independent in the view of ‘60s Leftists. America needed the benevolent guidance of World Socialism. In the 1980s how the Liberals loved Gorbachev! And how they hated Reagan! Not to mention their love of Daniel Ortega and Fidel Castro.

As a young teen in the 1980s living in Liberal Elitist Massachusetts one of my favorite movies was “Red Dawn.” I remember how Liberals resented the way the Soviets were portrayed in that movie. Some crackhead Liberal Media “journalist” could write some yellow-journalism guerilla-theater BS about Marines in Vietnam biting the heads off of babies that the Hanoi Politburo told them to say and the Liberals would believe it. They’d eat it up with a spoon. But don’t ever insinuate that their Soviet brothers would ever be less than perfect gentlemen! They’d really get mad then!

Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book “Witness” that when American Leftist met an actual Soviet Russian, they just gushed and fawned all over him or her. I know exactly what he was talking about. In my time in the ‘80s in Dukakis’ Massachusetts we never met any actual Soviets, but the way my Liberal brothers up there talked about Gorby and the others, it is obvious that they would have tripped over each other to fawn over any Soviet citizen they ran into.

The Soviet Bloc collapsed from 1989 to 1991 and suddenly Liberals acted as if we always knew this was going to happen and as if they never rendered any assistance whatsoever to their Russian brothers (not their Russian brothers any more now that Socialism is gone). All the Liberal “geniuses” who said in the mid-’80s that we’d be living in Nuclear Winter if we didn’t appease the USSR suddenly forgot all their brilliant pronouncements!

Today the Liberals want to bow down to the UN and Socialist leaders like Jaques Chriac. We still can’t have the United States being strong, independent and thinking for itself or looking out for its own good. We still need a benevolent European or Asian (the Left is “multicultural” now!) dictator to hold our hand. And I realize that we are still fighting the Battles of Lexington and Concord when we stand up to the Left. Our independence, our freedom, our culture- the Left wants all these submerged in the morass of the new UN world. And now, these people run our Congress. Happy New Year America!


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Religion
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1 posted on 01/05/2007 1:09:34 AM PST by Cato Uticensis
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To: Alamo-Girl; Sabramerican; Publius; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Ol' Sparky; capt. norm

I think you'll find this interesting, Alamo


2 posted on 01/05/2007 1:10:57 AM PST by Cato Uticensis
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To: Cato Uticensis
Thanks for posting this. I agree that leftists fawn over people (socialists, Leftists) whose lives contradict the the goals of our founders. My liberal sister's favorite kind of person would be someone from a "noble" background who became a revolutionary.

We DID have much the same Liberal Media that exists today during the War years. However, Hitler had invaded the “Workers’ Paradise” of their beloved Stalin five months before Pearl Harbor. So the Left was not going to do anything to sabotage any effort we might make to defeat Stalin’s enemy, Hitler.

Interesting.

I still don't understand why the Media let 30,000 Americans get killed in in 2 + years in Korea, fighting Communists, under Truman.

The MSM thinks Bush is a monster for allowing making Americans die in Iraq.

More Americans died in the first one month in Truman's Korean War than have died in 44 months of "Bush's" Iraq War.

3,000 deaths seems to be magic indicator that we should cut-and-run. At that rate we should have been out of Korea in 35 days.

3 posted on 01/05/2007 3:14:58 AM PST by syriacus (Iraq War is like the Korean War - but with a GOP prez, 10% of the deaths, an antagonistic MSM)
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To: Cato Uticensis

Thank you so much for the ping!


4 posted on 01/05/2007 8:11:42 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: John Williams

Indeed. Thanks for the ping!


6 posted on 01/05/2007 11:01:37 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: syriacus

Syr:"I still don't understand why the Media let 30,000 Americans get killed in in 2 + years in Korea, fighting Communists, under Truman."

I am not 100% certain, but I believe it had to do with what the Democratic Party was going through at the time. "GI Generation" Democrats like JFK were taking the Democratic Party to the Center and being very Anti-Communist. After their loss in 1946, the Pro-Communist Democrats of the New Deal era had to give way. Remember that Joe McCarthy's right hand man was Robert F Kennedy. Kathleen Kennedy-Townsend, RFK's daughter, has old Senator Joe as her godfather.

The 1950 Democratic Senatorial Primary between George Smathers and Claude Pepper is a good example. It is disgusting that here at FSU in Tallahassee they have a building built to Claude Pepper, the swine who said that anyone who opposed Joseph Stalin was Fascist. George Smathers, a GI Generation Democrat, threw the Pro-Stalin things Pepper had said in his face and won his Senate seat. Modern Liberals make Pepper into a poor martyr, of course. Smathers and Democrats like him ran the Party from the late 1940s until the late 1960s when the Marxist bastards came back. George Smathers declined to run again in 1968 and the Republican beat the Marxist Democrat that year.

So, in answer to your query about the Korean War, the Democratic Party was doing its utmost to prove that it was as Anti-Communist as the Republican Party. To do otherwise in the 1950s was electoral disaster. The GOP did win Congress and the Presidency in 1952, so you can know that the Democrats were on their best behavior!


7 posted on 01/05/2007 11:02:37 AM PST by Cato Uticensis
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To: Cato Uticensis

Lots of NONSENSE and falsehoods in that post. Anyone who has actually studied American history knows that BOSTON and NEW YORK CITY were the hot beds of the American Revolution providing almost all the leadership for its early days.

Ever hear of the BOSTON Tea Party, the BOSTON Massacre, the Sons of Liberty? They were not composed of "country bumpkins". Or John Adams, Samual Adams, Alexander Hamilton, John Hancock, Paul Revere, the Minutemen?

You are aware that most of the fighting in the Revolution occurred in New York State and New Jersey are you not?

It is bad enough when Liberals make up lies about American history but even worse when Conservatives do.


9 posted on 01/05/2007 1:40:55 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: John Williams

More crap. The FOUNDERS of this nation established it to be ruled by MEN.

God does not rule nations no matter what the Priests who claim to speak for him say. God gave man freedom not puppet strings.


10 posted on 01/05/2007 1:46:37 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Cato Uticensis
So, in answer to your query about the Korean War, the Democratic Party was doing its utmost to prove that it was as Anti-Communist as the Republican Party

What you wrote makes a good deal of sense. I need to learn more about the period immediately after WWII.

11 posted on 01/05/2007 3:45:58 PM PST by syriacus (Iraq War is like the Korean War - but with a GOP prez, 10% of the deaths, an antagonistic MSM)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
BOSTON and NEW YORK CITY were the hot beds of the American Revolution

I don't know anything about Boston, but I know that important families in New York were divided in allegiance.

New York City, Brooklyn, and other parts of Long Island had many citizens who supported the British troops. (My husband is annoyed at the way that many New York streets, which were named after early settlers, are still named after them, even though they became Tories).

New Jersey also had many British sympathizers.

12 posted on 01/05/2007 3:59:33 PM PST by syriacus (If 3,000 deaths is an indication to "cut and run" Truman would have abandoned Korea in 5 weeks.)
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To: syriacus

Those comments are true but not the same as the earlier ones. It is estimated that about 1/3 of colonists supported the Crown, 1/3 Independence and 1/3 didn't care.
Families were divided (Benjamin Franklin's for example) but that also does not validate the earlier claims.

British support was strong in the Carolinas as well as strong or stronger than in the NE.


13 posted on 01/08/2007 10:26:14 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: John Williams

"So does his book. Which I have on hand as I type.

I might even take another look through it, now that you mentioned Pepper's campaign."

Yes, my upcoming blog post is tentatively titled "The Sad Sorry Left-Wing Cult of it's Own Martyrdom." Leftists who told lies to protect Stalin and protested so that Pol Pot could murder 2 million people are somehow martyrs and victims.


14 posted on 01/09/2007 9:57:51 AM PST by Cato Uticensis
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"Lots of NONSENSE and falsehoods in that post. Anyone who has actually studied American history knows that BOSTON and NEW YORK CITY were the hot beds of the American Revolution providing almost all the leadership for its early days.

Ever hear of the BOSTON Tea Party, the BOSTON Massacre, the Sons of Liberty? They were not composed of "country bumpkins". Or John Adams, Samual Adams, Alexander Hamilton, John Hancock, Paul Revere, the Minutemen?

You are aware that most of the fighting in the Revolution occurred in New York State and New Jersey are you not?

It is bad enough when Liberals make up lies about American history but even worse when Conservatives do."


And there are a few bastions of Conservatism in Boston and New York today. And there are Liberals out in Flyover Country. But, by and large, most of the bi-coastal elites live in places like Boston, New York and San Francisco.

But the fact is, MOST Patriots were from the countryside and MOST Loyalists were city-slickers. Of course this isn't a 100% thing.

As for the Boston Massacre, six people died in it, hardly a great urban mass. The minutemen were from Lexington and Concord, country towns. Alexander Hamilton grew up St Croix, a little island in the Carribean. I learned that when I lived on St Croix. John Adams was born in Braintree, which was a country town in the 1700s.

No, I wasn't aware that the Cowpens or Yorktown were in New York or New Jersey.

Actually, Boston was laid siege by New England militias from the countryside. They were joined by George Washington and his Virginians and other Southerners. When Washington retreated to New York after the siege of Boston was lifted, most of the people there were Loyalists and didn't help him.

So no, your points are not valid at all.


15 posted on 01/09/2007 10:13:04 AM PST by Cato Uticensis
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"More crap. The FOUNDERS of this nation established it to be ruled by MEN.

God does not rule nations no matter what the Priests who claim to speak for him say. God gave man freedom not puppet strings."

Yes, God makes men free, and other men make men slaves. I believe I said that. More importantly, the Declaration of Independence says that.


16 posted on 01/09/2007 10:15:46 AM PST by Cato Uticensis
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To: justshutupandtakeit; syriacus

"Those comments are true but not the same as the earlier ones. It is estimated that about 1/3 of colonists supported the Crown, 1/3 Independence and 1/3 didn't care.
Families were divided (Benjamin Franklin's for example) but that also does not validate the earlier claims.

British support was strong in the Carolinas as well as strong or stronger than in the NE."

Yes and most of the Crown's 1/3 were in the big urban areas and MOST of the Patriots were in the hinterland. And Charleston was a major urban center back in 1776, I believe it was the 4th largest city, it was where most of the Carolina Tories lived.


17 posted on 01/09/2007 10:18:26 AM PST by Cato Uticensis
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To: Cato Uticensis

Actually it was in the big cities that most of the opposition to the Crown was centered as the names of the first battles indicate. Boston was the center and was the rallying point after the Crown put it under interdiction. The colonies rallied to its defense and that marked one of the first instances of unity among all the colonies against the Crown. For the first several years the movement to independence was centered in NY City and Boston. The hinterlands had nothing to do the rebellion until much later.

Tories were very strong in the western Carolinas not just Charleston. Any attempt to portray the back country as rebels and the cities as Tory is simply false.


18 posted on 01/09/2007 11:28:04 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Cato Uticensis

"But the fact is, MOST Patriots were from the countryside and MOST Loyalists were city-slickers. Of course this isn't a 100% thing." No but it is a 0% thing since it is false.

"Alexander Hamilton grew up St Croix, a little island in the Carribean." Alexander Hamilton grew up in a CITY on the Island and left the Caribbean at the age of 17 to come to the Colonies to study. He lived in a CITY in NJ completing his college prep and for the rest of his life lived in the CITY of New York with an interval in Philadelphia when the government moved there.

Any city in 1780 except NY, Phil, Charleston, Boston was little more than a "country town" and some of the latter would be considered suburbs today. The isolated rural dwellers had little to do with the Revolution especially the beginning.

Most of the battles were in NY state and NJ as I said not ALL. One of the reasons Cowpens and Yorktown were fought was because Cornwallis wanted to join forces with the Loyalist militia's in the Carolina's.

Your ideological blinders prevent you from seeing a true picture.


19 posted on 01/09/2007 2:14:58 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Cato Uticensis

Many nations ruled by theocrats made men slaves. Our nation was made independent by men who then established the greatest government history has ever seen. Theology was kept pretty much out of it. Presbyterians did play a significant role in both events with ministers calling for the creation of a free nation. But one should not confuse their voices with the voice of God.


20 posted on 01/09/2007 2:18:23 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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