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Rudy Giuliani on 9/11 - a new look at the "hero"
AM New York ^ | August 23, 2006 | Ellis Henican

Posted on 08/24/2006 3:03:32 AM PDT by Eagle Forgotten

It's the unexamined question of 9/11: What if Rudy Giuliani wasn't quite the hero everybody thought?

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But what if Rudy's take-charge image was mostly a load of bravado and PR? What if the actual decisions he made - before, during and after the terror attacks - were directly responsible for the city's inability to deal effectively with crucial aspects of the crisis?

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With dozens of exclusive and previously unreleased interviews, Barrett and Collins show how the ambitious ex-mayor has spent recent years revising his own truth of 9/11 - and profiting handsomely from it. Casting himself as a prescient terror hawk who wisely prepared his city for the inevitable, Giuliani in fact ignored repeated warnings from the experts, including his own commissioners and aides.

Instead of confronting the looming danger, they tell how he grew increasingly distracted by pet projects, political turf wars and an extraordinarily messy personal life.

(Excerpt) Read more at amny.com ...


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To: PDR
because Rudy Giuliani is not a liberal

You obviously have generous criteria when it comes to defining conservatism. Conservatism is all about small government, personal liberty, and adherence to the Constitution. How could you consider someone too dense to understand the meaning of the 2nd Amendment even remotely conservative?

121 posted on 08/24/2006 12:15:04 PM PDT by jmc813 (.)(.)
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To: PDR; Spiff
rudy is comfortably center-right and, on taxes, on crime

Disarming citizens is not the conservative approach to fighting crime.

122 posted on 08/24/2006 12:16:45 PM PDT by jmc813 (.)(.)
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To: jmc813

- what exactly would you expect a gop mayor of new york city to say on the subject.... but what did he do about it? not much as i can recall...


123 posted on 08/24/2006 12:20:26 PM PDT by PDR
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To: AmericaUnited; Peach; PISANO
Ok, what about Peach's list in #59. That's not insignificant.

I wasn't trying to start a general thread about pro-or-con on Rudy Giuliani (although it's obviously turned into that). I wanted to address a specific point: Giuliani gets a lot of credit for "leadership" in connection with 9/11, and that credit is (I believe) largely undeserved. That's why I didn't get into stuff like gun owners' rights or the Cuomo endorsement or the squeegee men.

Peach addresses the issue by praising "the way he comported himself in the days after 9/11." I'd actually agree with that praise, but I think Giuliani has gotten way too much mileage out of that one moment. In evaluating someone for the Presidency, it's more important to consider substantive policy decisions.

PISANO argues that this criticism of Giuliani is just "monday morning qb'ing!" Well, according to the article, the book is based in part on the statements of a former NYPD chief, Louis Anemone, who faulted Giuliani's response (or lack of response) when the issue of preparation for terrorist attacks was raised with him years before 9/11. This is the sort of specific criticism that Giuliani backers will have to come to grips with in pushing him as an anti-terrorist leader.

124 posted on 08/24/2006 1:09:14 PM PDT by Eagle Forgotten
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To: Eagle Forgotten

It was more than a moment of leadership by Giuliani.

He showed leadership in the years before 9/11 in NYC by cleaning up the streets, trying to take down some disgusting art displays, working with police on specific programs to ensure that crimes against innocent people were reduced, reduced the deficit in NYC (which was substantial), got people to move back into the city again, etc. It was a pretty long list you're ignoring there.


125 posted on 08/24/2006 1:13:18 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: arthurus
...that private life will severely limit Giuiliani's possibilities in
the Bible Belt which has been the Republicans' main reservoir.


It will be a problem.
But, speaking as a single Bible-Belter, I periodically get another
chapter in what Rudy did to clean up NYC.
Maybe six months ago, I heard a radio interview with a lady that did
a book on..."trash".
Yep, garbage.
Part of her reseach included "who makes a living off garbage".
She said that during Rudy's tenure, he just about dismantled the
Mob grip on garbage collecting in NYC and the cost of sanitation dropped
big-time, contributing to the improved business climate of NYC.

For the Bible-belters, they may hold their noses and vote for him
while saying (in this time of war) "he may be a b@$tard,
but he's our b@$tard".
126 posted on 08/24/2006 2:11:03 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Eagle Forgotten
In evaluating someone for the Presidency, it's more important to consider substantive policy decisions

And who is your conservative candidate for '08?
127 posted on 08/24/2006 2:18:25 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: PDR
It's the damned "usual suspects" and a bunch of newbies, who are posting all of these anti-Rudy posts. As time passes, if they continue in this vein ( which I'm sure they shall ), the ONLY thing that they'll be doing, is destroying this site. Which makes one wonder just WHAT their REAL agenda is. Yes, they ARE the perpetual UNAPPEASEABLES! Just wait a few more months and we'll all be treated to the damned replay of their screeching about their *cough* PRINCILES.

Yeah................their so-called "principles" translate into losing and losing monumentally, with blood all over the floor, from that gaping hole in the middle of their collective faces.

128 posted on 08/24/2006 2:22:25 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: AmericaUnited
I am with you. I do not trust any books right now smearing republicans. The rats are out for blood and the local bookstores are over run with anti republican propaganda. I do seem to recall that at the time NY'er were very pleased with their Mayor, and I also so he is high in polls for President. Reason enough to slaughter him in the press for the rats.
129 posted on 08/24/2006 2:26:22 PM PDT by ladyinred (Leftists, the enemy within.)
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To: Eagle Forgotten
Ellis is a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar lefty moron. Yet you, you stupid newbie, posted this article to FR and applaud what a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar lefty whacko says.

WHY ?

Clinton was LOUSY after Oklahoma City. He bit his lip, he shed a couple of tears, and did NOTHING!

OTH, Rudy, long before 9/11, was a fantastic mayor; he quite literally saved N.Y.C!

Go back to DU, you stinking lefty troll.

130 posted on 08/24/2006 2:27:19 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: arthurus

Yeah, being divorced twice sure is a whole lot worse than having a lover murdered, staying with a husband who cheated on one from even before she married him, and on and on. Yep, GOPers will NOT vote for Rudy and allow Hillary a free ride into the White House....suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure they will. LOL


131 posted on 08/24/2006 2:33:34 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Eagle Forgotten

The savaging of Giuliani has just begun. If it looks familiar, it is because it bears all the fingerprints of the Clinton smear machine.

The Clintons are terrified becauser they know Rudy's strengths as a courageous and fearless leader, and as a speaker and debater. Remember Rudy's actual stands against terrorists and terrorism before 911, as well as his courageous stands against public institutions funding art that trashes religion.

You should be afraid that the GOP will put up a losing candidate and the Arkansas Grifters will fly on Hillary's broom all the way back to the White House. Shame on you people who have joined in this.


132 posted on 08/24/2006 2:36:02 PM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO WANT TO TAKE OVER YOUR COUNTRY !)
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To: Eagle Forgotten
Another smear attempt on the ex-Mayor. He must really have the MSM and her Clinton loving fans scared piss-less.
He has obviously got the Hitlery supporters frantic that he might wind up as the Republican Presidential candidate in 2008 when, polls have shown, he would wipe the floor with her Thighness.
Look for more desperate hit pieces in the months to come as the media and her backers try to overcome her corrupt, ruthless, power hungry and leftist reputation.
133 posted on 08/24/2006 2:39:06 PM PDT by finnigan2
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To: arthurus
Until Reagan, NO DIVORCED politician could have been elected dog catcher.

Times have changed; even in the South.

134 posted on 08/24/2006 2:44:11 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Peach

bttt


135 posted on 08/24/2006 2:50:55 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Blackirish

bttt


136 posted on 08/24/2006 3:01:26 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Before Reagan they didn't divorce they cheated - divorce would 'look bad'.


137 posted on 08/24/2006 3:02:38 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: VOA
Rudy is doing VERY well in both North and South Carolina.

If the Dem presidential candidate is Hillary or Kerry, or algore, against Rudy, can you envision any Southerner with more than tree brain cells working, allowing anyone of the three Dems I listed, becoming president?

138 posted on 08/24/2006 3:06:05 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: presently no screen name

Some cheated; a few, a VERY few divorced.


139 posted on 08/24/2006 3:07:43 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: JHBowden; Cincinna; finnigan2
It's a mistake to think that everything that happens in American politics is a plot by the Clintons.

This particular book about Giuliani is co-authored by Wayne Barrett. He's been blasting Giuliani since long before the Clintons ever even thought about moving to New York. If Hillary had never run for anything and was back practicing law in Little Rock or Chicago or somewhere, Barrett would still have written this book.

It's bad news for Giuliani if his supporters can't say much more than "Hillary must be behind it." What would Giuliani, as the nominee, say two years from if his opponent (Hillary or whoever) raises these charges?

I appreciate the contributors to this thread who've begun to outline how to make the case for Giuliani in connection with 9/11. Rudy will need more of that if he's to win over the swing voters. This book won't go away just because Freepers don't like Ellis Henican or the Village Voice.

140 posted on 08/24/2006 4:56:16 PM PDT by Eagle Forgotten
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