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1 posted on 07/06/2006 8:40:23 AM PDT by Nachum
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"is" and "was" are two different meanings and the 2nd one isn't even close.
2 posted on 07/06/2006 8:45:01 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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Is it considered plagiarism when you simply restate a fact? I would think that every journalist would be in jeopardy if that is the case.


3 posted on 07/06/2006 8:45:19 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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And still... no one challenges the message, they only attack the messanger.


4 posted on 07/06/2006 8:46:21 AM PDT by Thrusher ("...there is no peace without victory.")
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When you're speaking to incidents of fact there are only a few ways to phrase it.

The dog jumped over the fence.

The canine hurdled the barrier doesn't exactly say the same thing.


6 posted on 07/06/2006 8:46:44 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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in a book with HUNDREDS or sources noted, I would not count one or two missed quotes as example of plagerism.

I mean look at the rest of the book- why would she quote hundreds of sources, and then plgerize these two statements?


7 posted on 07/06/2006 8:46:51 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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Oh puhleeez - there aren't too many ways of stating four facts in the same sentence.
I guess she could have used the term "very large" instead of "massive", but boy is that ever splitting hairs.
If that's the best they can come up with........
8 posted on 07/06/2006 8:49:26 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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This is hillarious. I just looked up the quote "The massive Dickey-Lincoln Dam" and found out that the Portland Newspaper was quoting an article in Townhall. Ann Coulter is a guest writer in Townhall, so she is being accused of plagerizing her own work.


10 posted on 07/06/2006 8:50:42 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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Meanwhile, for his campaign kickoff, Joe Biden will be doing The Gettysburg Address.


14 posted on 07/06/2006 8:51:55 AM PDT by madprof98
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So if CNN uses the same language to report the same incident as MSNBC, that's plagerism?

Boy, all media is in BIG trouble.


16 posted on 07/06/2006 8:53:01 AM PDT by sandbar
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It is simple...

Ms. Coulter is right

The Coulter haters are wrong...That includes you Mr. 'sensitive' Billy O!

In a book so thoroughly end-noted (My only criticism is USE FOOTNOTES!....please), these two examples are silly, their highlighting is trite, and the haters simply need to:

SFU
SFD

Cheers,
Top sends


18 posted on 07/06/2006 8:53:31 AM PDT by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
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I heard about this on a conservative radio program, some professor at BERKLEY has a program that he uses to scan text and look for plagiarism. It must have a hyoooge database. He came up with at least 3 instances where he claims she committed it. For me the examples were like, "big deal". I am sure if I wrote a long treatise, I would inadvertently plagiarize, simply because some sentences and phrases would be committed to memory, in such a way as to make me think they are my own.
20 posted on 07/06/2006 8:55:10 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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This has to be the stupidest Ann Coulter bashing article yet.


22 posted on 07/06/2006 8:55:54 AM PDT by Kokojmudd (Outsource GM to a Red State! Put Walmart in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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Watch your back Anne!

If they play true to form, the libs will next peg Anne as a criminal by hanging something (anything) on her.

23 posted on 07/06/2006 8:56:19 AM PDT by concrete is my business (place, consolidate, finish)
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Just finished the book. Its worth reading.

You'll note that her attackers mainly attack her; they don't engage the content.


25 posted on 07/06/2006 8:56:48 AM PDT by marron
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"So, is Coulter a plagiarist?" - Kevin Aylward

"So, is Coulter a plagiarist?" - The Rude Pundit

I guess Aylward is a plagiarist since he said the EXACT SAME THING someone else did.

I wonder, does anyone know what time it is? Uh oh, was that phrase ever stated before?? Am I now a plagiarist?

I think the term is being used way too loosely.

It is one thing to take a speech and present it as your own (See Senator Biden - still in office) and to include a phrase in a book that coincidentally has been produced previously in someone else's writing.

The upside of this, it will increase her book circulation as the rumors swirl and the media starts asking her about it and she gets to break out more of her verbal carpet bombs.


28 posted on 07/06/2006 8:57:19 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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First, a sentence or two would not be plagiarism in an entire book. Second, the book is well footnoted and I don't have it in front of me but I'll bet that at least the first sentence listed here has a footnote to the appropriate source. Three, this guy is a moron.


29 posted on 07/06/2006 8:57:22 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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From what I can see, Ann wrote a column for Townhall that quoted from her unpublished book. It was in turn quoted by the Portland newspaper and attributed to Townhall.

Ann is being accused of plagerizing excerpts from her own book!!!

30 posted on 07/06/2006 8:57:56 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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Plagiarism is the theft of ideas. The 2nd case is clearly not plagiarism, and the use of the word saboteur is exactly the description of the event. To make an issue over it would be to accuse everyone in the English-speaking world of plagiarizing the first person who used "terrorist" to describe the perps of 9/11.

The 1st one is interesting in that it is nearly word-for-word with the Portland Press article with the exception of the past tense "was."

My question is this: if a reporter describes something that happens, and then it happens, is it plagiarism to say that X happened?

If I say: "My dog, who has been my friend for years, is dying.", and someone writes a follow-up on me, and says, "His dog, who has been his friend for years, DIED." is that plagiarism? Or is it follow-up of an already reported situation?

41 posted on 07/06/2006 9:03:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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This is pretty weak if this is all they've got.

Next.


43 posted on 07/06/2006 9:05:28 AM PDT by proudpapa (of three.)
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Screeew the left wing sandbaggers. They should be looking at honest Al Gore.


44 posted on 07/06/2006 9:05:54 AM PDT by hgro
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