“Illegals” hysteria & the place I can’t go

http://theanchoressonline.com/ ^ | 5/26/06 | anchoress

[WOSG]

"But dont you think that there is hope that many of these nonsense provisions(SS Security for one) will be knocked out."

Nonsense provisions, huh ...

Then why wasnt this sham FIXED IN THE SENATE ALREADY?!?!

"I just think that any compromise bill would have to be very tough and would not have many false illusions of enforcement."

Why did the Senate pass a sham? Why did almost all Democrats vote for it? Why did Frist praise it?
Why did the Senate fail us so badly?

[catholicfreeper]

Well I have looked to the scriptures for guidance. I have also set back and looked at the commenatary and the back and forth between Christians of good faith in debate(The little of it that its been) on this whole issue. It seems on many Christian blogs ,Catholic or otherwise, there has been a big silence. Howevr , it seems that it comes down to issue of justice, of how we treat the forigner, and the power of the State and its responsibility. THere is guidance but no clean cut answers. I think one problem is that the modern nation-state that we know today is quite different from the state of Biblical times. For instance, when Jesus, Mary , and Joseph fled into Eygpt did they have to report to the regional authorities.? Were they Illegal Aliens? Who knows? I tell people when the engage thast particular scripture that example doesnt prove much to either side. It just raises questions and something for us to pray over. The same with many of the other scriptures dealing with Jews and the "alien question" as they were slowly playing out their role in salvation history.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

Very well put.

I haven't commented much on the illegal immigration issue because the one-world thing is going to happen, because it's part of the plan of God, and there is no way to stop it.

Apparently, there was a meeting a little while ago that involved the notion of making North America like the European Union- borderless, free-flowing, one-worldish. We are almost like plastic soldiers on a child's toy battlefield- moving and being moved by a force over which we have no control and have no hope of halting.

I get angry about this, but then remind myself that we were told this was going to happen, it is happening, and they only way to escape the worst of it is through Christ.

[catholicfreeper]

I think part of the Senate bill is politics. I have no doubt that some of those provisions were put in there to get it out of the Senate no matter what. That particular Dems could say hey I supported you here. I am also cynical enough to know that many provisions were put in the Senate Bill so Republicans in the House could take credit for taking them out. I am sure there is good bit of that going on.

[WOSG]

Even your cynicism is naive.

These were not put in there to be taken out.
The Senate bill was concocted to create a lie, a lie that we were fixing immigration with a 'comprehensive' solution. In fact it is a bait-and-switch scam, with amnesty for illegals the only real part of the bill. Most of the rest is a hood ornament for the sham-nesty.

Enforcement provisions actually *weaken* current law!

See:

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15165
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1092.cfm

[investigateworld]

I suspect you are a decent person, even the kind to run into traffic to save a injured kitten...

But what we are talking about is changing the whole political face of this Great Nation.

Maybe you should try understanding folks like ME fer instance.
My hot buttons are Abortion, respect for the constitution and a bunch more, but you can be certain my wallet is in the top 10.

I personally witnessed the construction of acre after acre of welfare offices when the 86 - 87 crowd became eligible.

The county I worked for had to start charging $35.00 to get a copy of every official document needed.

All county parks had to start charging admission fees.

The state of California through the wisdom of the legislature took traffic fine money away from the counties.

But for the fact the tow companies were paying kick backs to management, we would have never made an arrest for DUI.
The court and overtime pay made it a loser to enforce the laws.
The fees and tuition for the state colleges and universities leaped upward and still never enough.

All so they could pay welfare to people who were rewarded for breaking the law.

I could go on and on and on ..... So the Country Club Republicans are trying not to hear us, but they'll know soon enough.

[Peach]

Maybe I should launch a conspiracy theory of my own…say…oh, something silly, like maybe this hysteria is just the conservatives doing everything they can to foment enough discord and discontent to create the “demand” for a third party candidate.

There are a lot of third party people on Free Republic trying to gather support for just that "conspiracy" and they're leading a lot of good conservatives right off the cliff with them.

[kittymyrib]

Okay...this convinced me (or at least until I quit reading at the part that erroneously stated that Rush was on the defensive in the Snow interview, which was blatantly untrue) Anchoress is really Barbara Bush.

[hellinahandcart]

I think one problem is that the modern nation-state that we know today is quite different from the state of Biblical times.

You realize, of course, that this is the same logic that liberal revisionists in most mainline denominations have used to justify gay marriage. "It was so different then! People in Biblical times had no concept of committed same-sex relationships!"

Anyway, you can't just throw out a statement like yours, and not back it up. It's up to you to state exactly how the nation-state of Biblical times was different, if it was, and how those states were LESS likely to have controlled travel and immigration through their territory than those of the modern era, if that is in fact your argument.

For instance, when Jesus, Mary , and Joseph fled into Eygpt did they have to report to the regional authorities.?

So what if they did? That would have been among the least of their problems at the time. Probably even less onerous than having to return to Joseph's birthplace, on the emperor's order, to be taxed.

[RFT1]

I read the transcript, I would say that Tony Snow was destroyed by Limbaugh, and I am not a Limbaugh fan in the least.

It is all fine and dandy for "conservatives" to have ideals anhjd all, but the reality is this influx of illegals and even in many cases legals, and all one has to see what has happened to California to see the future, will destroy conservatism as a viable political force. The anchoress form of go along get along "conservatism" is not only wrong, its dangerous.

[MNJohnnie]

Yes I was stunned hearing how it was all a plot by "Big Business" to keep wages down and oppress the "little guy" Excuse me? When did Rush become a Perotista? That was their argument about NAFTA. Then it was the "Elites want to send your jobs to Mexico" which Rush laughed at. NOW, it "The Elites want Mexicans to come here and take your job" and it is RUSH saying it! The Country's finished! When the "True Conservatives" start using the same Class warfare and economic arguements of the Wacko Left, it all over.

Forget any idea of "Limited Govt." Now it is just a matter of which side gets to grow Govt to what THEY want to those they don't like.

[hellinahandcart]

(Its not Amnesty (INSERT COLD CHILLS) its a GUILTY PLEA with a PLEA DEAL)

Changing the law to benefit the lawbreakers is amnesty, no matter how you guys try to spin it.

The 1986 amnesty quadrupled the problem. So will any "reform" that gives any benefit at all to the present lawbreakers.

In twenty years, we'll have fifty million illegals to worry about.

[Trteamer]

Is your support for illegals mainly because the vast majority of them are Catholic?

[Molly T.]

Loved your post. Be prepared for an attack tho. Yesterday I posted much the same thought on the globalists goal for our country and of Canada and Mexico.

I suggest that anyone whose first inclination is to come on and "dis" you about this,might be better advised to do a little checking as to the agreement and road map the leaders of the above mentioned countries came to last Spring. Too bad the MSM chose not to comment on that. We Americans are going to be in for a very rude surprise down the road.

[Kimberly GG]

"Why do I do not view this as Amnesty? Well, they do have to admit guilt. They have to pay fines, taxes etc. "They have to keep their nose clean for a period of time. I have heard 11 years in some proposals before they can even apply to be citizens. I really don't care if people want to add more provisions. 1000 hours of community service? I just have to think there is a middle ground less than they having to leave and wait 20 years to get back in and anything short of that is Amnesty. Again, the family issue is what probally drives me most as to this issue."



It is AMNESTY. Illegals would not have the opportunity to follow the proposed 'path to citizenship' if they were not granted AMNESTY first.

I don't see what the problem is with families. If you're deported, you take your family with you. Period.

[MinuteGal]

Sorry, I'm not taken in by the sugar-coated liberal agenda you're here to promote among believers. Is this your 'target audience' assignment?

You're a catholic "freeper" after being here a little over nine weeks? You've come a long way, baby, in a short time.

Leni

[Les_Miserables]

Succinct and correct.

[MissAmericanPie]

Jay Rockerfeller thanked the press and media not long ago for keeping quiet about their globalist agenda until the average man had become "enlightened" enough to accept it.

Translation: Thanks for hiding all this from the public until it's too late for them to do anything but divide into two camps. The "enlightened" who will cause us no problems and go about their buisness, and the "xenophobe" camp who will cling to the dead idea of nationhood and must be delt with if they cause trouble.

[bmwcyle]

I have an idea. Hunting season to give them a reason to run back over.

[MissAmericanPie]

I think you are very smart. I post so much on the subject for two reasons, "when good men remain silent, evil triumphs", and because ignorance will be no excuse when people have been warned, shown the truth, have had the quoted words of the leaders involved flat out stating their intentions, goals, and agendas, and explained to them what a Trade Zone entails.

The only thing that Jesus promises us is to rule and reign with him a thousand years, if we remain faithful unto death after we are arrested, judged, imprisoned, beheaded, hunted down, property taken, and suffered greatly.

I refuse to be found hiding under the bed during the events of that time, which seems to be right around the corner. I don't know why, it just isn't in me. I know there is no stopping it, my head tells me to keep quiet maybe it will pass over me. I just can't get my big mouth to agree.=o)