Posted on 04/22/2006 11:49:07 AM PDT by Rick_Michael
Agreed. "Doing the jobs Americans won't do".
Why the hell don't they just come out and call us lazy and stupid?
That's what they mean.
Not necessarily. The 3% is the agricultural jobs e.g fruit picking, which will essentially be done by robots in the near future. The machines are made, it's just a matter of getting them all out there at a fair market value.
I must note product demand as well in the Medical Industry.
Refer to previous post.
The article didn't say 97% of employed illegal aliens. An illegal alien who is not employed is clearly not "doing a job Americans won't do". To be sure, the article doesn't say "97% of all illegal aliens", but rather "97% of [some group consisting of] 12 to 20 million illegal aliens", so depending upon what 12 to 20 million aliens are talking about their statistic might be true, but absent such a definition it is also meaningless.
But if there is an increase in the demand for health care then health care prices will rise, people will pay the extra and they will have less money in their pocket to spend on housing. The price of housing will fall. Those two effects go counter to each other. You can't spend more money than you have - unless you have the Fed in the system. They print it. You spend it. That is the real source of inflation not the ups and downs of gasoline prices. If we didn't inflate the money supply the price of things other than gasoline would fall because there would be less of them consumed - that is the same as saying that there would be less demand for them. Monetary inflation is the only way that everything can increase in price which is what we actually experience. I agree that some things increase more than others due to greater demand.
AND they better watch what they call us we are VOTERS and we can say whether they can continue in their cushy jobs.
These appear to be the latest stats I have seen. Thanks for posting this. Very informative.
Well you make some points but I think your expectations of what government can and should do probably exceed those of the average Freeper and certainly mine. Upping the birth takes time and then you wait 20 years for the first workers to arrive. Economic forces don't operate on that kind of time table.
I'm no big fan of immigration but I think we are beyond the time when we could do anything about it. And I mean 40 to 50 years beyond that time. Government has screwed up border control and all of the factors that you name for much too long a time. We now have the more simple choice of allowing illegals to stay or making the (I believe) draconian choice of rounding them up, kicking them out and restricting future immigration. The cost of the latter would be huge, the growth in government to manage it would be huge and the reduction in our standard of living would decline enough that we would all notice. The economic impact would last for decades. The growth in government would last forever. No thanks.
Interestingly enough, even Hillary kind of "gets it" where Mexico's nearly
omnipotent oligarchs are concerned:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/411104p-347791c.html
"[Mrs. Clinton] said she favors a "carrot-and-stick" approach with Mexico to
provide that government and its "oligarchs" the incentives to give Mexicans
more and better jobs in their own country."
Frankly, the more pressure we keep on Mexico, immigration-wise, the more
reformers inside of Mexico can be emboldened and empowered to scale back
monopolists' abuses down there which keep our own country flooded with
economic refugees. Here's an interesting thread on new legal reform progress
that finally
emerged in Mexico I think as a result of immigration reform's failure:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611677/posts
We can make a difference for our sake, and their's as well, by cracking down
and demanding more activism by our own United States Trade Representative
against protectionist Mexican oligarchs in, for example, the monopolistic
petroleum, telecommunications, electricity and television media sectors.
Isn't prodding our neighbor to finally clean up its own backyard before
lambasting us for ours the neighborly thing to do?
I'm actually one of the few people (or not), that wishes to go back to the free-banking era...although that would involve a change in mental paradigms to get us there. No welfare, no SS,...nothing but Constitutional needs funded by indirect taxation e.g tariff, excise, etc.
When we actually knew the essence of freedom.
Fundamentally, I fear that many of these illegals favor socialism, and millions of them spell the end of liberty in America or Civil conflicts. I'd like to stick to our needs and do it much slower pace than we are doing it now. I guess we're past that stage in some regards, and I'm not one to think mass deportation would be done or should. I just don't think we should give in and bend-over--so to speak. There's many fantasy-minded socialists just waiting to destroy the one country that made an example for all.
A closet libertarian - right here on Free Republic. That makes at least two of us. I agree with you.
And along the way you create a country that most Americans would come to hate and a repressive, bureaucratic government with more power than I'm willing to give it. And the 12,000,000 illegals - they would become 12,000,000 felons. If 90% returned to Mexico you would still have over a million left and they would have little choice but to choose crime as their new career. No thank you.
There have been estimates of the cost of the program you've laid out - upwards of $100 billion. And that assumes that it would work which it wouldn't. So the cost would be like the cost of the War on Drugs. $75 billion a year forever.
"The distinguished Senators Kennedy, McCain, Specter, Brownback, DeWine, Martinez , Hagel and Graham" would be utterly humiliated if they had to do any of those jobs. I'm thinking that since they've convinced a few of us poor souls that they deserve the $160, 000(+, +, +, ?) they don't have to do anything other than laugh all the way to the bank...
"You do not need a round up to get rid of 11 million people. You control the border stopping the flow. You do maybe 100 IFCO raids."
It would be nice if the IRS got the owners/workers on tax evasion or on charges of stolen identities. If they can do it on Capone, I don't see how they couldn't do it on owners/workers....
I think I generally agree that first and foremost the border must be secured...MUST.
The raids could be done in limiting amounts throughout the nation. They should be well known, and big industry. It should hit the newsstand daily to get an effect.
Then finally: we have to force Mexico into reforming it's country. All the political pressure we can muster in actually making that a place where people feel safe to invest into...rather than staying the hell-hole it is currently.
That would be nice.
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