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Answers in Genesis schism: U.S. group goes solo
lippard.blogspot.com ^ | 2006-03-03 | Jim Lippard

Posted on 03/11/2006 7:33:48 AM PST by dread78645

Answers in Genesis had been an international organization, with the U.S. branch under Ken Ham based in Kentucky, and an Australian branch under Carl Wieland in Queensland (which was formerly known as the Creation Science Foundation). Now the Australian group (along with ministries in Canada, New Zealand, and South Africa) has changed its name to Creation Ministries International, explaining in a recent brochure that the U.S. group did not want to be "subject to an international representative system of checks/balances/peer review involving all the other offices bearing the same 'brand name'."

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The U.S. group, known for spending millions on a creationist museum, has interesting Form 990s filed with the IRS. Some highlights from 2003 and 2004:

Revenue: $9,016,228 (2003), $10,423,222 (2004).
Expenses: $6,894,456 (2003), $8,320,926 (2004).
Assets: $10,778,086 (2003), $17,368,759 (2004).
Liabilities: $1,693,035 (2003), $6,086,610 (2004).

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TOPICS: Education; Politics; Religion; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: creationscience; crevolist; ignoranceisstrength
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1 posted on 03/11/2006 7:33:50 AM PST by dread78645
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To: PatrickHenry

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2 posted on 03/11/2006 7:34:32 AM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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To: dread78645

There's good money to be made in perpetuating ignorance.


3 posted on 03/11/2006 7:41:33 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: shuckmaster

How much are you making?


4 posted on 03/11/2006 8:29:55 AM PST by UseYourHead
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To: dread78645

I though this was about those who prefer Peter Gabriel-era Genesis over the Phil Collins era.


5 posted on 03/11/2006 8:33:09 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
Evolution Ping

The List-O-Links
A conservative, pro-evolution science list, now with over 350 names.
See the list's explanation, then FReepmail to be added or dropped.
To assist beginners: But it's "just a theory", Evo-Troll's Toolkit,
and How to argue against a scientific theory.

6 posted on 03/11/2006 8:37:53 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


7 posted on 03/11/2006 8:43:12 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: shuckmaster
There's good money to be made in perpetuating ignorance.

These guys seem to have taken their strawman version of Darwin to heart. Any way you can feed off that other idiot is good.

8 posted on 03/11/2006 8:52:10 AM PST by VadeRetro (I have the updated "Your brain on creationism" on my homepage.)
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To: ahayes

Ping to self.


9 posted on 03/11/2006 8:58:39 AM PST by ahayes
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To: dread78645
That's a lotta dough. I see I'm in the wrong business.
10 posted on 03/11/2006 9:06:12 AM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: dread78645

I love it. Now we await the first mistaken creationist to tell us that Kent Hovind isn't in it for the money either - why he practically GIVES his stuff away!

Yeah. Right.

When people ask, "Why is evolution the only thing "they" go after, the answer is simple: $$$$. I have no problem with capitalism, obviously, just a problem with scamming the ignorant for it, as AiG, DI, etc all do.


11 posted on 03/11/2006 9:07:26 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: narby
That's a lotta dough. I see I'm in the wrong business.

I sometimes think that. But we can look ourselves in the eye in the mirror. The charlatan cheats who run creationist websites, who undoubtedly know that the whole thing is just an exercise in fleecing the faithful can do too, but only because God didn't bless them with a conscience.

12 posted on 03/11/2006 9:08:36 AM PST by Thatcherite (I'm Pat Henry, I'm the real Pat Henry, All the other Pat Henry's are just imitators...)
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To: Thatcherite
but only because God didn't bless them with a conscience.

That's true, sad but funny.

I like your tagline, sung to the tune of The Real Slim Shady: I'm Pat Henry, the real Pat Henry,..., will the real Pat Henry, please stand up, please stand up... (Gotta appreciate the white rapper, Eminem --- if you excuse the explicit lyrics.) ;)

The Real Slim Shady

13 posted on 03/11/2006 9:39:04 AM PST by phantomworker (The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic diagram. - Thomas Koenig)
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To: narby
AIG has one good feature on their website: Arguments we think creationists should NOT use. I've never seen any other creationist website, or poster, criticize any creationist claim, no matter how bizarre it is, and no matter how frequently it's refuted. I guess this is their fig-leaf, to give them the appearance of credibility.
14 posted on 03/11/2006 9:41:34 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

That is a very interesting link. Thanks.


15 posted on 03/11/2006 9:57:17 AM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: PatrickHenry
(That is a great link. So funny. I've come across these arguments before!!!)

What arguments are doubtful, hence inadvisable to use?

‘Natural selection as tautology.’

‘Evolution is just a theory.’

16 posted on 03/11/2006 9:58:06 AM PST by phantomworker (The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic diagram. - Thomas Koenig)
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To: dfwgator
I though this was about those who prefer Peter Gabriel-era Genesis over the Phil Collins era.

Its the return of the giant hogweed.

17 posted on 03/11/2006 10:12:21 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: phantomworker
It stems from the replication of the list-o-links on my profile page.

There is a neat irony, because PatrickHenry isn't the real Patrick Henry any more than I am.

I despised rap until about 4 years ago. Not the music for my generation (I'm 46). Then my nephew asked me what I disliked about it and I spluttered incoherent nonsense that made it quite plain that my comprehension of rap was approximately equivalent to the average creationist's comprehension of evolution. He sent me a CD that he'd ripped of 15 "best-of" Eminem tracks and I was absolutely sold on the utter brilliance of it after about 10 minutes and went out and bought all the Eminem CDs and a couple by Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg right away. Even my wife likes lots of the tracks (though she hates the bad language she loves the music and the rhythm and the verbal jokes), and she is much straighter than I am. I went and saw MM with my brother and my nephew at the Milton Keynes Bowl when he came to the UK for the Eminem Show tour, and I wasn't the oldest person in the audience (I suspect that honour went to my brother), but it was close.

18 posted on 03/11/2006 11:33:15 AM PST by Thatcherite (I'm Pat Henry, I'm the real Pat Henry, All the other Pat Henry's are just imitators...)
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To: Thatcherite
I liked the way the Evo Community rallied behind the PatrickHenry event! My son said he wouldn't expect anything less from a real community.

I felt the same way about Eminem as you described. It took me only a couple songs as well to realize his brilliance. My kids couldn't believe it. I don't like his foul language either, but I guess that's part of his insecurity which is why he is endearing maybe.

Except for the raunchy stuff on his last CD, his duets with Dido and Elton John were amazing! (Stan set to White Flag)

Stan

19 posted on 03/11/2006 12:14:51 PM PST by phantomworker (The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic diagram. - Thomas Koenig)
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To: PatrickHenry

Kinda like how the anti-evos who scream "strawman!" when you mention YEC beliefs go real quiet when the actual YEC'ers show up.


20 posted on 03/11/2006 1:43:13 PM PST by stands2reason
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