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Family Free-Riders (Childless adults are economic free riders)
Chicago Boyz ^ | March 03, 2006 | Shannon Love

Posted on 03/06/2006 7:12:09 AM PST by FreedomSurge

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To: Scourge of God
Face it: you used the term improperly. Thus, your argument (if any) has very little merit.

Fine. If you aren't here arguing one side or the other of the issue raised in the article by the poster of this article, then you are the distracting red herring issue. :~D

And I think the fun that can be had with you has been had already.... good day.

441 posted on 03/06/2006 1:29:32 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: BraveMan
Steaming Pantload is right. Everyone who believes this crap is full of it. I'm childfree and paying an extra $3000 a year...and that's just in just federal taxes, so I'm not sure why people think I'M the leech. What more do the parents want from me...blood?
442 posted on 03/06/2006 1:31:36 PM PST by thespacecowgirl (Childfree...Living it, loving it, but paying through the nose for it.)
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To: BraveMan; All
"Someone should place a pacifier up the anal cavity of this author to prevent any further episodes of this verbal diarrhea."

I vote that the "pacifier" be somewhere in the 40-50 megaton range....

443 posted on 03/06/2006 1:32:22 PM PST by musicman
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To: thespacecowgirl
Steaming Pantload is right. Everyone who believes this crap is full of it. I'm childfree and paying an extra $3000 a year...and that's just in just federal taxes, so I'm not sure why people think I'M the leech. What more do the parents want from me...blood?

Blood is a good start; but we vastly prefer your organs; just in case.

All kidding aside, Bucky, look at it this way: we’re all, to some extent, leaches. The top income earners in this country pay a greater percentage of their income in taxes. Thus, those rich people are paying more than you (real and percentage) for the roads you use, the police and firemen who protect you, the library books you read, the military that keeps you free, and so on.

Yes, that’s right, you are a freaking parasite!

444 posted on 03/06/2006 1:36:33 PM PST by Scourge of God (What goes here?)
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To: Warren_Piece

"Why don't we change gears and form a movement to prohibit Pittsburgh Steelers fans and Duke basketball fans for voting? At least we can all agree on that, right?"

I can agree to the second half but not the first.


445 posted on 03/06/2006 1:39:44 PM PST by busstopsindetroit
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Jersey Republican Biker Chick
What about people with ugly or stupid children?

Ugly babies grow up to be beautiful people.

I was one damn good lookin' baby!

446 posted on 03/06/2006 1:45:27 PM PST by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: Fudd
Will these same people be grousing when the children do not want to pay for their social security benefits?

Of course, but they reason (?) that they can maneuver Congress and/or SCOTUS to get those benefits into their grubby hands anyway, protestations notwithstanding.

447 posted on 03/06/2006 1:48:01 PM PST by HKMk23 (Tengo una remera del Che y no se por que.)
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To: uglybiker

LOL, I'll bet you are cute as a button now!


448 posted on 03/06/2006 1:48:58 PM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: rolling_stone
"Should one alive now not have a vote? "

I also think that if you don't own property you shouldn't be allowed to vote, but that is a subject for another time.

449 posted on 03/06/2006 1:55:06 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: Scourge of God
The more I think about it, the more I think you actually owe the rich people in your town some serious cash. Since they paid more for the roads, infrastructure, and services that you use, you should actually pay them back.

Example: Richie Rich was assessed $50,000 in property taxes, and $90,000 in state income taxes, all of which (for sake of argument) went to pay for a bridge over the interstate and a Recreation Center.

You, the middle class person, only paid $2,000 in property taxes and $7,000 in state income tax. You and your friends consume the same amount of the bridge and the recreation center that Richie Rich does. But he paid far more than you for those improvements.

So, to be fair, you should pay a $2 toll to use the bridge, and Richie should only pay fifty cents. And your monthly membership to the rec center should be $21, while he should get it for $8. The extra money you pay should be stored up, and given to Richie at the end of the year.

It’s only fair.

450 posted on 03/06/2006 1:55:55 PM PST by Scourge of God (What goes here?)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
Thank you!! I am so sick of certain FReepers giving me crap for me decision to never have children. Yet I have to pay school taxes for kids I will never have in the school!

not to mention you will never get the tax breaks of having children, that there are other taxes you pay that are "for the children." there are portions of your federal and state income taxes that goto various agencies that fund and monitor daycares, schools, food programs, etc. plus all kinds of laws passed that will never effect you, and many that will because of other people's children, that are - for you- a waste of politician's time.
i think that childless families are the most burdened, not the freeloaders.
451 posted on 03/06/2006 1:55:58 PM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: ThinkDifferent
"children is both necessary and sufficient for caring about the future,"

Never made that argument. I simply made the argument that those with children tend to have longer time horizons when making decisions and that longer time horizons lead to better decision making.

452 posted on 03/06/2006 1:58:29 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: eeriegeno

That may be a logical conclusion of her argument.


453 posted on 03/06/2006 2:00:05 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There are currently limits to who is allowed to vote. Are you arguing that there should be no limits on who gets to vote?


454 posted on 03/06/2006 2:02:07 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: FreedomSurge

"There are currently limits to who is allowed to vote. Are you arguing that there should be no limits on who gets to vote?"

Yes, there are such limits. You must be 18 years of age, a citizen, and not a convicted felon. Pretty broad limits, I'd say.

How about this. Let's limit voting to only those who own real property outright. They're the real stakeholders in our society. So, if you have a mortgage, you can't vote, because you only have a short-term view of housing. I mean, you could just abandon the house, declare bankruptcy and forget about it. Only real property owners who own their property outright should be able to vote. How's that sound. They're the ones with a real reason to think long-term.


455 posted on 03/06/2006 2:10:35 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Scourge of God
It’s only fair.

No argument here. I have absolutely no problem with an income tax based on...you know, INCOME.
456 posted on 03/06/2006 2:12:15 PM PST by thespacecowgirl (Childfree...Living it, loving it, but paying through the nose for it.)
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To: FreedomSurge

No. I'm just saying that childless persons should be able to retain the suffrage. After all, we childless persons are paying to educate your children, provide some of them with health insurance through the CHIPs program, provide them with transportation to and from the public skrools, and even raise them (via AFDC). Why shouldn't we be able to vote?

You have some nerve.


457 posted on 03/06/2006 2:13:20 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Now is the time for all good customes agents in Tiajunna to come to the aid of their stuned beebers!)
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To: MineralMan

Good idea. I was thinking of paying off my mortgage.


458 posted on 03/06/2006 2:15:29 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick; ElTianti

I did a calculation on my income and came up with the fact I pay 4 times the median income tax.

Since I have no kids, I put less than 1/2 the strain in the infrastructure. Which means it would take 8 family wage earners to make up for my tax base.

There are a lot of things in American society jiggered for kids. That is OK -- I support a society that supports kids and families.

What is NOT OK is to come along and tell those of us who are doing the heaviest lifting that we are somehow doing "less that our part."

Whatever it is that makes people say "I want n children," I just ain't got. It like describing color to someone blind from birth.


459 posted on 03/06/2006 2:16:04 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"I'm just saying that childless persons should be able to retain the suffrage. "

How about letting the childless retain their suffrage until such time as they take their first Social Security check?

460 posted on 03/06/2006 2:18:41 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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