Would Kristol,Bennett,Coulter,Savage,Levin,Will,Ingraham,Please,Stop Cryin Over Miers Nomination?

JoeClarke.Net ^ | 10/05/2005 | JoeClarke

[joeclarke]

Would Bill Kristol, Bill Bennett, Ann Coulter, Mike Savage, Mark Levin, And Laura Ingraham, And George Will, Please, Stop Crying Over Miers Nomination?

They Are Starting To Look Anti-Christian.

This Is Her Church For 25 Years - Valley View Christian In Dallas

This Is What They Believe

From http://www.vvcc.org/beliefsgo.asp

Our beliefs are not innovative. Anyone familiar with historical Christian teaching will find these statements fall well within the boundaries of evangelical theology. (Evangelical means theology derived from the evangel , or the Gospel. In other words, it's biblical theology rather than speculative theology or theology rooted in tradition.)
We try not to be dogmatic about matters on which believers hold divergent views. Our core beliefs are centered in Christ and His message as supported by Scripture. More obscure doctrine, as well as controversial issues about which the Bible is silent, are left to believers to sort out on their own. On these issues we take no official/dogmatic position. What follows is a summary of what we believe.
We believe the Bible to be the only infallible, inspired, authoritative Word of God. As such it is our final authority for all matters of faith and Christian practice.( 2 Timothy 3:14-16 )
We believe that there is one God eternally existing in three persons- Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He is the Creator of all things. ( Genesis 1:1; John 1:1; Matthew 3:16-17; 2 Corinthians 13:14)
We believe in Jesus Christ , God in human flesh, who came to this world to die for our sins and who was bodily raised from the dead. ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 )
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of the Living God, who draws people to Christ and who lives in every person who has received Christ. ( John 16:8-9; Acts 2:38; Ephesians 1:13-14)
We believe that man, created by God, willfully sinned and as a result is lost and without hope apart from receiving Jesus Christ. ( Romans 3:23;6:23; Acts 4:12)
We believe that salvation (forgiveness of sins) is available only by the grace of God through the blood of Jesus Christ. This free gift of forgiveness is offered to all who receive Christ as Lord and Savior. ( Ephesians 2:8-9; Colossians 2:6; John 3:16)
We believe the Bible clearly teaches the pattern to receive Christ is to believe in Jesus as God's Son and Savior of the world, repent of personal sin, confess Christ publicly, and be baptized. ( Romans 10:9; Acts 2: 36-38; Mark 16:16 )
We believe that full immersion under water is the prescribed mode of baptism as indicated by Jesus' own example and command, and best depicts our union in His death, burial, and resurrection. ( Mark 1:9-10; Matthew 28:19; Romans 6:4 )
We believe that the Church is the body and bride of Christ on earth, founded on the day of Pentecost, consisting of all Christians everywhere. ( Matthew 16:13-18 )
We believe that death seals the eternity of each person ( Hebrews 9:27 ). Those who are forgiven will spend eternity with God in heaven, those not forgiven will be eternally separated from God in hell .( John 5:28-29; Daniel 12:2; 2 Corinthians 4:14; Acts 17:31

PS. HARRIET MIERS HAS PUBLICLY SAID THAT SHE WOULD "STRICTLY DEFEND THE LAWS AND CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES." The wording is not coded. I have never heard a lib state the above with conviction - or at all.

[Dont_Tread_On_Me_888]

"Would Bill Kristol, Bill Bennett, Ann Coulter, Mike Savage, Mark Levin, And Laura Ingraham, And George Will, Please, Stop Crying Over Miers Nomination?"

OldFriend, for every one "RNC can do no wrong" member you think you appeal to, there are 100 members and lurkers who read your post and shoved you to the fringe category.

Trying to belittle the most prominent and best conservatives because they are not cheerleaders makes you look smaller and smaller and smaller...well, you have disappeared off the scope.

A SCOTUS justice is more important than who is president. The importance of a confirmation of a SCOTUS justice dwarfs the importance of who gets elected to the presidency every four years or so. These justices make decisions that directly affect our lives over decades. A president makes concensus decisions tempered further by Congressional approval. Harriet Miers serving as a SCOTUS justice is 100,000 times worse than Michael Brown serving as FEMA director. And, Michael Brown terminated himself once the world found out he was incompetent crony of George Bush.

Harriet Miers needs to pull a Michael Brown.

[Finalapproach29er]

She's almost on Social Security already.

[Dane]

That's the dirty little secret amongst the DE rightist elite. Although they pander for their votes, people like will, coulter, hannity, etc.etc. probably snicker behind their backs just like the liberals who crack jokes about evangelicals being snake handlers.

There is a rightist elite and you are seeing their knee jerk reactions and lothing of evangelicals with Meirs nomination.

[David Isaac]

Why yes, yes I do, most definitely. I would find it hard to believe that this entire group would all of a sudden become either very stupid or have swithched their philosophies away from the spirit of conservatism.

[manwiththehands]

Pllllease. "They're bashing Miers! They're Christian-basher!" No, I think they would be called "weak candidate bashers".

[shempy]

Is she being appointed to the papacy or the Supreme Court? I don't much care about her religious philosophy, I care about her judicial philosophy.

[RoadTest]

"It has NOTHING to do with Religion. It has to do with politics. Deal with it."

Well, the issue as I see it is that this country was founded on the principals in the Bible and faith in it's Author. That's been the secret of America's strength for two centuries: IT IS BLESSED!

Enemies of America have been trying to chop these foundations away from under us.

[Dane]

Trying to belittle the most prominent and best conservatives because they are not cheerleaders makes you look smaller and smaller and smaller...well, you have disappeared off the scope

Oh it's ok for coulter, rush, will, and hannity etc.etc. to belittle, but belittle them and it's sacrilige.

Do you know how hypocritical you sound.

[SE Mom]

Though I'm not sure about Miers- one way or the other- her religious convictions or lack of them are NOT the issue.

There are principles at stake- not personal opinions and/or beliefs. Fidelity to the principles in the Constitution are of utmost importance- contrasted with John Kerry's hoping it's about "fundamental rights".

[savedbygrace]

Joe,

The logic in your rant is infinitely assailable.

It appears to be concluding that just because a person is a member of a church that posts a strong belief statement, that person is a paragon of virtue and logic.

Have you ever actually belonged to a church? Do you know, on average, how many members don't really believe what the church belief statement says?

I've belonged to a number of churches in different cities (churches that many would call fundamentalist,) and my sense is that, at most, ten percent are wholeheartedly living and believing as the church does. Perhaps another twenty percent or so want to believe, and mostly do. The rest are bench warmers and social gadflies. These folks talk a good game, and put on a good show, but when push comes to shove, it's situation ethics that rules their lives.

So, based on personal experience, I reject your logic, your argument, and your conclusions.

And as for your factless claim that the people you named in the opening paragraph are crying, you're dead wrong. You have no argument to counter the reasoning they've presented, and instead you malign their character with your false "crying" claim.

That defies your central argument in which you tout Miers for being a Christian, because you are attacking others in an unChristian manner.

[rodguy911]

I would hope that more freepers would try and look at the bigger picture. There is no reason to believe that Harriet Miers will not make an excellent choice to sit on on the supreme court.

Beyond that, we have an out of control rino contingent to deal with in the Senate. The Miers choice,stealth as it may be, circumvents them and at the same time holds the rats in check.
Is she everything we hoped for probably not, could we have gotten a conservative candidate through the rino/rat contingent in the Senate,probably not.
So we are left with a President who has other fish to fry, the war in Iraq hurricane disasters, border problems and may want to move things along without getting bogged down in an unwinnable battle and at the same time do the best he can long term for the country.
Anyone who has a much better choice that could have been as easily confirmed as Miers please raise your hand.

[Pharmboy]

You're waaaaay off base on this one, friend.

[GarySpFc]

Evangelical theology has several roots based upon the systemic theologies of men (and women). These systems of theologies have taken parts of Scripture to form an incomplete and unhistorical view of Christianity.

TOTALLY WRONG! I say this as an Evangelical theologian. Evangelical theology is based upon the Bible as its authoritative source, and more specifically an emphasis on the Gospels. History is viewed as a secondary source, but not authoritative.

In other words, it's not the historic Christian tradition that is believed, but rather a much younger tradition of man which masquerades as being based solely on Scripture. This is why some Evangelical churches believe one must speak in tongues to be saved, while others don't.

Evangelicals believe the Bible is the historical root, and not tradition as their primary source. Evangelical theology is not based on tradition, but rather the Bible. I can also tell you for a fact the independent Christian Church which Miers attends looks with disdain on speaking in tongues.

[swain_forkbeard]

I can't imagine the standard by which Miers is "clearly qualified" to sit in judgement on the SCOTUS. Is she qualified becase she's a woman? A Christian? A real person? A lawyer? Bush's lawyer? A victim?

"You don't have to be a Constitutional scholar to be a Supreme Court Justice." What!!! That's the ONE THING that you do need to be.

Allow me to expand your hypothesis. "You don't have to be an expert on neurophysiology to be a brain surgeon". Do you like that one?

"Constitutional scholars have done more damage than good to the Constitution" I don't see that. The Constitution is just fine, thnk you. But there has been a good deal of damage done to our country by the self-serving practice of identity politics and political expediency. I expect and demand better from my President.

[patriciaruth]

Someone who is being nominated to be an associate justice on the Supreme Court of the United States of America. And we know nothing.

Fascinating, isn't it?

I knew zero about Roberts before President Bush nominated him, and he's acclaimed as the most brilliant, most respected jurist in the country. All the Justices looked tickled pink to have him for their new Chief Justices at his investiture Monday.

I knew zero about Miers before President Bush nominated her, but I've learned some things and expect I'll learn more.

[rbmillerjr]

"They are all conservatives. Agree with them, or disagree with them, but explain why. Don't blindly follow anyone, especially George W. Bush."

I meant it to be tongue-in-cheek, as many who support the nomination...rely on "trust Bush" as a primary rationale.

[TSchmereL]

It is almost impossible to detect sarcasm on the internet.

[dfwgator]

She may be conservative and agree with us on everything. Does that alone make her qualified for the highest court in the land?

[handy]

They don't trust the President because he's a strong Christian. Puts his faith in the Lord and not the elite know it alls.

The pews are full each Sunday with people who think guns are bad, the constitution is a living document, open borders are okay, abortion is a personal choice, and campaign finace reform was a great idea. They also think their taxes count towards their tithe.

We should not (and I don't) support a SCOTUS nominee on a "trust me". I don't care WHO we are trusting.

This is the big one folks. 5 of 9 votes and you can do just about ANYTHING. You can take peoples guns away (Can't happen? See New Orleans). You can find "rights" in the constitution (Abortion). You can take away free speech (Campaign Finance). You can regulate the internet. The list goes on and on. It's the super legislature and we are fools to dick around on this thing. Put a young judge with a paper trail on the court. It's the obvious thing to do.

Do I trust Bush? Sure, more than I trust a Rat, but not 100% when he lets anyone who wants to walk across the border and lets Ted Kennedy write an education bill.

This is way too big a deal for "Trust me".

[billbears]

Actually I see this more by the day as a positive thing. The list of pundits were the same political hacks that fawned over Bush for the last four years, told the public that we had to vote for Bush for nonsensical reasons, and in some cases, namely Kristol, helped to shape and influence foreign policy at one point. Anything to upset them can't be all that bad

It's either one of two things. Either these hacks just woke up to realize Bush isn't conservative or Bush made a fluke decision out of his moderate/liberal character and Miers actually may be more conservative than these hacks want her to be.