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Big Spending + Miers = Trouble; Karl, Help!
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Posted on 10/03/2005 5:41:04 PM PDT by Cautor

We are unquestionably the majority party; the Republican party controls Washington and most states. However, this grip on power is more fleeting that we'd like to believe and we need some triage before 2006. [snip]

With Rep. Tom DeLay's forced departure as majority leader, Newt Gingrich says, the Republican Party stands at a crossroads as important as any it has faced since nominating Ronald Reagan for president in 1980... Which path the GOP now takes may determine... whether it can hold the White House in 2008...[snip]

Talk like that has demoralized much of the Republican base. With nearly all Democrats and two-thirds of independents reacting negatively to the Bush presidency, Republicans need to keep GOP voters in the fold. But only 78% of Republicans express approval of Mr. Bush, down from well over 90% at the time of his re-election. With only 32% of Americans believing that the country is headed in the right direction and only 33% approving of the job Congress is doing, the GOP has reason to worry. "By an eight-point margin, voters are now more likely to call themselves Democrats than Republicans; there was no gap in self-identification a year ago," notes political handicapper Charlie Cook... [snip]

The Harriet Miers nomination will only exacerbate the current problem. When you trigger negative reactions from staunch conservatives that are key influencers in the conservative base, such as Bill Kristol, Rush Limbaugh, National Review and the majority of the conservative blogosphere (like Powerline, Right Wing News and Michelle Malkin), you undertake serious risks in alienating your base.

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1 posted on 10/03/2005 5:41:06 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: Cautor

You obviously don't see the genius behind the rove plan of 'growing the republican party by alienating its conservative base'.


2 posted on 10/03/2005 5:42:21 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: Cautor
Everyone says Miers is an "Unknown." - I don't buy it.

The fact that Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid have nothing bad to say about her tells me that Conservatives have been sold down the river by Bush.
3 posted on 10/03/2005 5:44:27 PM PDT by Barnacle (Free Republic; The modern equivalent of the ham radio... on steroids.)
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To: flashbunny

Like the evil genius Professor Moriarity, Rove is constantly scheming to undercut the DUmmys, but in this case, well...no, I don't exactly see the logic of alienating the conservative base.


4 posted on 10/03/2005 5:46:05 PM PDT by Cautor
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I think it's pretty simple:

His grand plan is to destroy the Democratic party by splitting off parts of key member groups. Get 3 percent more of black voters, 4 percent of hispanic voters, 5 percent of women, etc. Then the democrats lose their hold on power.

He probably justifies it by saying "where else are the conservatives going to go?" He thinks the new "big government" GOP will attract more big government moderates than it alienates small government conservatives.

Which is fine and dandy plan until you think about it. What's the point of gaining power if you abandon your core principles to do it? "Yes, we're the biggest party now. Too bad we don't stand for what we said we stand for. At least we won!"

That's all it's about to some people: Winning, like it's some kind of game. It's not merely about winning, it's about how you govern.
5 posted on 10/03/2005 5:51:07 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: Barnacle

"The fact that Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid have nothing bad to say about her tells me that Conservatives have been sold down the river by Bush."

Did you see Dingy Harry on Hume tonight? He was smiling like a cat that had just swallowed, you know, the canary. Senatory Pryor (D-AK) was also going on about Harriet.

The facts are that Bush had the Senate margin he needed to ram through two strict Constitutionalists (with proven records) and this would have once and for all turned the court back to the right where the Founders intended it to be.

Instead, Bush waffled and gave us two "we-hope-they'll-be-conservatives." And this after years of sweat and toil by the Republican base to elect Republicans to the House, Senate and Presidency.

The facts are that the DUmmys dodged 2 bullets they had no expectation of dodging. Like Brer Rabbit, they're in their hidey holes tonight laughing their asses off.


6 posted on 10/03/2005 5:52:34 PM PDT by Cautor
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with the miers nomination, there is a shadow cast on roberts. as a famous person once said," that don't make any sense".....


7 posted on 10/03/2005 5:53:50 PM PDT by ronnied (we are the only animals that bare our teeth in greeting...)
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To: flashbunny

"His grand plan is to destroy the Democratic party by splitting off parts of key member groups. Get 3 percent more of black voters, 4 percent of hispanic voters, 5 percent of women, etc. Then the democrats lose their hold on power."

Oh, yes, now I see. You expect the MSM's portrayal of what happened to the blacks in NO to help Bush win them over. And then he loses 10 percent of his base, and then since he didn't nominate a Hispanic to the SCOTUS that will pull in a few of them. That's the ticket. I'm sorry I didn't see that brillian maneuver.


8 posted on 10/03/2005 5:55:54 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: Cautor

Well, it looks like you agree that we've been sold out. Now, the question is... Why?


9 posted on 10/03/2005 6:01:32 PM PDT by Barnacle (Free Republic; The modern equivalent of the ham radio... on steroids.)
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Gee, all it takes is a unethical prosecutor and a demo party that can't win at the ballot box to indict or slime someone and boy we Republicans run like dogs! Let's see, they slimed Trent, he's gone. Now they are working on Frist, how long will we give him? A week or two? DeLay, dump him right now!

I don't know Harriet Miers but Bush knows her record better than we do. I am somewhat disappointed too, but I've been down this path before with GW and never been upset with what he does. I'm willing to give him his choice. It is possible that GW will have another court appointment.

Are I giving up? No, I don't want to live under Hillary's reign. Sorry, if you want to give up go read the kooks at Huffington's blatherlog or the demounderground. See if you want to belong to that nut group.

Jen
10 posted on 10/03/2005 6:02:39 PM PDT by IVote2 ( God Bless our military men and women! Please donate or volunteer to help the hurricane victims.)
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To: Cautor

No, I don't, but that's the Rove master plan. Limbaugh has talked about it a few times...most recently more than a year ago I think.

It has nothing to do with events but an overall strategy: Convince moderates who are currently with the democrats that the republicans aren't so evil by pandering with more government spending and doing other things like not enforcing immigration law. They want to make the republicans the 'warm and fuzzy' problem that stands for little more than A) attracting voters and B) being the 'not democrats' party.


11 posted on 10/03/2005 6:05:44 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: Barnacle

"Well, it looks like you agree that we've been sold out. Now, the question is... Why?"

That is indeed the $64,000 question. We know from press accounts that GWB was pissed because of the conservative opposition to Alberto Gonzales. I'm wonder if the Miers nomination is a "screw-you" to the conservatives who opposed Alberto? OTOH, I think Bush just picked another old family friend for the job, one that would be much more palatable to the DUmmys in the Senate and to Hatch and the RINOs.


12 posted on 10/03/2005 6:08:39 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: IVote2

"Are I giving up?"

I are not giving up.


13 posted on 10/03/2005 6:12:06 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: flashbunny

"Convince moderates who are currently with the democrats that the republicans aren't so evil by pandering with more government spending and doing other things like not enforcing immigration law."

Yes, that does sound like the current Republican strategy. That damn Rove is really a genius. Do you think we could get him to give us some rain here in VA?


14 posted on 10/03/2005 6:14:53 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: Cautor

I don't know, but he probably could direct a few million illegal to head there each carrying a bucket of water...


15 posted on 10/03/2005 6:16:32 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: flashbunny

LOL! We have all of them but sans the H2O.


16 posted on 10/03/2005 6:18:32 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: flashbunny
Another one of these...

Fosters another one of these...

And, yields another one of these...



17 posted on 10/03/2005 6:18:51 PM PDT by Barnacle (Free Republic; The modern equivalent of the ham radio... on steroids.)
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To: Cautor

Then we need to stop whining and be proactive. If we don't like the way the GOP is going, then we need to tell that to our representatives, Senate, House and local.

I refuse to join in the dumping-on and giving-up crowd. Sheesh!


18 posted on 10/03/2005 6:27:36 PM PDT by IVote2 ( God Bless our military men and women! Please donate or volunteer to help the hurricane victims.)
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To: Barnacle

FGS! Give warning when showing that man's photo! I almost needed a defibrillator!


19 posted on 10/03/2005 6:28:51 PM PDT by IVote2 ( God Bless our military men and women! Please donate or volunteer to help the hurricane victims.)
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To: Barnacle

yep. People fail to see that it happens every time.

Turn off the base.
Base is discontent and unmotivated.
Democrats win elections.

Too bad so many here pull out the same old lines..."why don't you just vote for a democrat then!" or "are you going to let hillary get elected?"

They don't get it- it's not up to us to support the party no matter what. It's up to the party to make sure they're running the type of operation the base WANTS to support.


20 posted on 10/03/2005 6:30:30 PM PDT by flashbunny
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