Posted on 09/23/2005 6:11:36 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird
Two things:
1) Congratulations to the school for standing on solid, moral, principle.
2) A BS article in that the liberal writer doesn't understand that the child can not have two parents of the same sex. The writer must understand that the child would not have been born with "parents" such as this.
We must remember to lover the sinner (all of us) but not endorse and/or condone the sin...
You are naive to think that there are not lesbian Christians.
You know nothing about my theology but you seem compelled to tear down and abuse it. The word of God does not make me feel bad--what on earth gave you that impression? I do not wish to get into a pi**ing contest with scripture. That does not mean I do not believe it.
I have repeatedly supported this school's decision. Beyond that, I feel the girl might benefit from the influence of the school. Do we differ on those points? I think we agree on much more than that on which we disagree.
Nobody's arguing that the Church doesn't have the right to control what goes on inside the school, rather that it is wrong and counter-productive to punish the girl for what the women who are raising her do at home. It's not the girl's choice, she simply wants an education, and if the Catholics won't give her one, someone else, someone we probably will be less approving of, will.
That was well put.
Pa mom raises a decent point, namely that if the School's action was a consequence of Christian Crusaderism vice an administrative decision, then the school probably acted prematurely.
In defense of the school's decision, though, some administrators I've heard from regarding the toughest decisions and problems they encounter are in regards to parents who bring their children into the institution and then expect they can change the institution into a secular humanist organization. The same school administration has to master the myriad of challenges already presented by governmental school systems which adamently oppose anything with a Christian basis. Funding, textbook selection, accreditation, curricula, and teacher certification are only a few of the hurdles they encounter.
Especially when dealing with 14-year olds, where problems can multiply exponentially if left unmitigated, the school might simply adopt the opposite 'no tolerance' policy to homosexuality.
It's probably best left to those administering the school and those to whom they are accountable for appropriate review.
there are always a lot of really, really angry people on the queer topics. they seem to live for it.
I frankly couldn't give a d@mn about who's gay or not, but I now understand where people like Fred Phelps come from.
I am sorry if you feel we are berating anyone. The majority of FReepers are Christian, I daresay, and most will disagree on any point, so what? In this case, it is simple. The church makes the rules. You don't have to like them, nor send your kids there. You don't even need to know who they are. But, if you are Christian, you should accept their faith in God.
I disagree with many folks here. Am I wrong, and everyone esle right. Sometimes, maybe. Sometimes, maybe not. But, I still have no problem sharing the cup with them, as believers. It is up to God to judge our hearts.
But, the church has not abrogating its rights. They are being stripped from them, by liberals, and bleeding hearts, who have no concept of holiness. They are Sunday-go-to-meeting kinda Christians, that want to live a lifestyle, in contradiction to God's requirements.
I am not without sin. I can't help it. I was born that way. I will die that way. But, thank God, for His promise to cleanse me, and make me Holy. It is a process of time, and faith. I stumble daily. He picks me back up, dusts off my bottom, and sets my feet back on the path.
We don't get the choice to give in to our feelings. We are solely saved by faith. Adam ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, a forbidden tree. Eve handed it to him. Satan convinced her by getting her to deny God, "surely you will not die..." They were both cast into the wilderness. "But, God so loved the world"...
I do not think any Christian should feel "beaten" when confronted with Scripture. Paul said that Scripture is God breathed, in his second letter to Timothy, and is intended for insruction in righteousness. His letters were applicable for all Christians, not just Timothy!
2 Timothy 2:1-15-
1You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others. 3Endure hardship with us like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs—he wants to please his commanding officer. 5Similarly, if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor's crown unless he competes according to the rules. 6The hardworking farmer should be the first to receive a share of the crops. 7Reflect on what I am saying, for the Lord will give you insight into all this.
8Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel, 9for which I am suffering even to the point of being chained like a criminal. But God's word is not chained. 10Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.
11Here is a trustworthy saying:
If we died with him,
we will also live with him;
12if we endure,
we will also reign with him.
If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13if we are faithless,
he will remain faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.
14Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
2 Tim 3:10-16
10You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Right? No, it's being consistent. That's very different from being "right."
I have read many passages in Scripture where Christ tells homosexuals that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Where do you find Christ to retract that position and conclude one might have the mind of Christ while being a homosexual?
Now that wasn't a beating, it was more of a tickle!
I know God's truth in my heart and I share it with my children. Beyond that, on a public forum, I am not going to use the Word of God to win an argument. That is why I disengage when it starts.
But the anger and pride in some posts scare me. Trust me, I have those sins in abundance (and add gossip, another fault of mine God hates) so it's a struggle to keep them reined in on FR.
In every homosexual relationship, two other people, frequently unidentified, have been harmed.
It is a tough situation for her AND the school. Prayers all around.
Wacko finatic. How dare you imply that I am speaking for God! I didn't say all people that believe in God were perfect or godlike.
Read the Book of Jeremiah, in a modern translation, if you have it. I like the New International, since they sought to be closest to a literal transltion (and with a brushing of Greek and Hebrew, I can attest to their good efforts).
The Word of God stands as the best argument. If a non-believer confronts it, he has to flee, or bow down. The skeptic will scoff, and the faithless will surrender, in futility.
As a brother in Christ, I love you. As a brother in Christ, I encourage you to let the light shine!
I left out the first part of 2 Tim 3:1ff-
1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
6They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. 8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.
Yes, I agree, but I know that my pride will not let me keep my intentions towards the scripture pure when I post it. That's why I stay away. In person, not so much.
I stand by my assertion. You prove that the school knowingly hid their regulations from the parents of potential students. When I looked into Christian schooling for my kids, I was given a code of conduct. It had to be signed and handed in before my kids could be accepted as students. Like I said earlier, the mommies are either STUPID--and anyone who signs anything without reading it first is just that--or they knowingly put the girl in the position of being expelled. Stupid or scheming, take your choice. The school is well within its rights to uphold their own regulations.
Too often people's predispositions lead them into positions that neglect critical details. In this case, my bet is that the expulsion was out of expediency, something within the power of the school not requiring the expense of legal action. In this case, expediency would come at the cost of integrity, where they will be attacked for their lack of concern for the child. Such might ultimately cost them more than the correct legal action against the parents would have done.
Presumably you're referring to members of the opposite sex that the homosexuals "should" be with. But that works both ways. As a single straight male, males in homosexual relationships benefit me by removing themselves from the market for heterosexual females.
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