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CA: California Legislature Confirms Its Lack Of Connection To Voters
Captain's Quarters ^ | September 06, 2005 10:48 PM | Captain Ed

Posted on 09/06/2005 11:39:20 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The California legislature became the first elected body in the US to approve gay marriage, passing the bill in the Assembly 41-35 and setting up a conundrum for Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. The bill defies a vote from five years ago, when Californians overwhelmingly voted to approve a measure which specified that marriage should remain between one man and one woman:

The bill's supporters compared the legislation to earlier civil rights campaigns, including efforts to eradicate slavery and give women the right to vote.

"Do what we know is in our hearts," said the bill's sponsor, San Francisco Democrat Mark Leno. "Make sure all California families will have the same protection under the law." ...

But opponents repeatedly cited the public's vote five years ago to approve Proposition 22, an initiative put on the ballot by gay marriage opponents to keep California from recognizing same-sex marriages performed in other states or countries.

"History will record that you betrayed your constituents and their moral and ethical values," said Republican Assemblyman Jay La Suer.


(Excerpt) Read more at captainsquartersblog.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Society
KEYWORDS: ab849; gaymarriage; prop22; samesexmarriage

1 posted on 09/06/2005 11:39:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Arnold will surely veto this crud. It was the Freebie for the Dems.


2 posted on 09/06/2005 11:44:19 PM PDT by Uncle Joe Cannon
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is the 'Katrina' for the Dems. They will incure the wrath of the voting public.


3 posted on 09/07/2005 12:10:25 AM PDT by BigFinn
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To: BigFinn; Brad's Gramma

Let's hope so!


4 posted on 09/07/2005 12:18:43 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

NO! NO! YOU CAN'T MAKE me get on THIS thread too! :)

I'm on two OTHER threads about this very same subject.

hang on. I've got something I'll stick over here, too....


5 posted on 09/07/2005 12:24:10 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Contact the Governor


Governor's Office

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: 916-445-2841
Fax: 916-445-4633

To send an Electronic Mail please visit:
http://www.govmail.ca.gov





To help us keep track of correspondence and to ensure that we are able to respond to California residents, please be sure to include your name and address when you communicate with the Governor's Office. We do not accept e-mail attachments.

District Offices

Fresno Office
2550 Mariposa Mall #3013
Fresno, CA 93721
Phone: 559-445-5295
Fax: 559-445-5328



Los Angeles Office
300 South Spring Street
Suite 16701
Los Angeles, CA 90013
Phone: 213-897-0322
Fax: 213-897-0319



Riverside Office
3737 Main Street #201
Riverside, CA 92501
Phone: 951-680-6860
Fax: 951-680-6863



San Diego Office
1350 Front Street
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San Diego, CA 92101
Phone: 619-525-4641
Fax: 619-525-4640



San Francisco Office
455 Golden Gate Avenue
Suite 14000
San Francisco, CA 94102
Phone: 415-703-2218
Fax: 415-703-2803



Washington D.C. Office
134 Hall of the States
444 North Capitol Street NW
Washington D.C. 20001
Phone: 202-624-5270
Fax: 202-624-5280







First Lady Maria Shriver
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 445-2841
Fax: (916) 445-4633


"To keep track of correspondence and to ensure that we are able to respond to California residents, please be sure to include your name and address when you communicate with the First Lady's Office."


6 posted on 09/07/2005 12:24:37 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The bill defies a vote from five years ago, when Californians overwhelmingly voted to approve a measure which specified that marriage should remain between one man and one woman:

They're really concerned with their job security aren't they.

7 posted on 09/07/2005 12:31:58 AM PDT by EGPWS (I believed you did, however your blatant showing of enjoyment is puzzling)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Thanks for your contribution!

LOL!

This thread is different than the other threads, it's from a very good Blog!

I like the closing:

Californians might ask themselves why they bother with a legislature at all. Clearly the people's branch of government has ceased representing the people in the country's most populous state. Will Californians finally demand sane reapportionment that creates actual competitive elections, or continue the disconnect between their representatives and their politics?

8 posted on 09/07/2005 12:33:35 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: EGPWS

They know that they have nothing to fear from the voters,....see the closing !


9 posted on 09/07/2005 12:34:48 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
With most every issue, Arnold's press folks send out a message as soon as it is brought to the table (they're learning..) No message this time. Silence.

Make the calls, folks - someone is listening for the rumbles.
10 posted on 09/07/2005 12:35:51 AM PDT by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Will Californians finally demand sane reapportionment that creates actual competitive elections, or continue the disconnect between their representatives and their politics?

That will be the finalizing factor!

Although I am a "Garage Logic" resident I dedicate my listening pleasure to the conveyances of the sayer of "Morning Glory and Evening Grace". ; )

11 posted on 09/07/2005 12:44:38 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: kingu; Ernest_at_the_Beach; calcowgirl; nopardons

Re: Silence from the Gov....

per KFI just now, they said he (Gov) said this should go to the courts....

Nite all.


12 posted on 09/07/2005 12:49:44 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Damn.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4221420.stm

Gay and lesbian advocates welcomed the assembly's decision, and urged Mr Schwarzenegger to sign it into law.

The office of Mr Schwarzenegger, who has previously opposed gay marriage, issued a statement saying the governor believes the issue is best decided in the courts.

13 posted on 09/07/2005 12:55:00 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Brad's Gramma

Nighty night and thanks for the ping.


14 posted on 09/07/2005 12:56:59 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Brad's Gramma

Rats....Arnooold isn't vetoing squat!


15 posted on 09/07/2005 12:58:33 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon; calcowgirl

See post #12!

Nite all.


16 posted on 09/07/2005 1:00:05 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: calcowgirl
The office of Mr Schwarzenegger, who has previously opposed gay marriage, issued a statement saying the governor believes the issue is best decided in the courts.

'cause having an elected body enact laws is just too troublesome and constitutional.
17 posted on 09/07/2005 1:04:20 AM PDT by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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To: calcowgirl; All

Get ON THE PHONES in the morning everyone!!!!!!!

Dang it, this just MIGHT be the tipping point for us moving out of this state.

Governor? Ya reading this???????


18 posted on 09/07/2005 1:05:36 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Brad's Gramma; kingu; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Maybe those first KFI reports are misleading. It looks like maybe he will back up Prop 22. This seems to imply he will veto it and sit back and watch the court action relative to the constitutionality of Prop 22. Still, phone calls can't hurt.

LA Times (via KTLA.com)

The bill, which would change California's legal definition of marriage from "a civil contract between a man and a woman" to a "civil contract between two persons," now goes to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. He has signaled that he will veto it.

(snip)

After the vote, Schwarzenegger spokeswoman Margita Thompson said: "The people spoke when they passed Proposition 22. The issue subsequently went to the courts. The governor believes the courts are the correct venue for this decision to be made. He will uphold whatever decision the court renders."

19 posted on 09/07/2005 1:19:55 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

I usually take the libertarian approach on gay marriage. Frankly, the whole issues bores me. But I do find the wording of the bill amusing. If California changes marriage to be between two persons, does this mean that corporations (which are 'persons' under the law) can be married?


20 posted on 09/07/2005 7:19:18 AM PDT by Natty Boh III
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