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Churchcentral ^ | 12 Aug 2005 | unk

Posted on 08/12/2005 12:36:50 PM PDT by claudiustg

And on the homosexuality issue, at least one church is calling the ball on the underlying issue of Scriptural interpretation. Presiding Bishop Mark Hanson, leader of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, called for a global, ecumenical council on the Christian interpretation of Scripture. In his report Aug. 9 at the 2005 Churchwide Assembly of the ELCA Hanson called for the Pope, the Ecumenical Patriarch in Istanbul, and the Anglican and Lutheran Communions to come together to address a church identity crisis due to the dominance of a "fundamentalist-millenialist-apocalypticist reading of Scripture."

Blaming one interpretation or another for the Church identity crisis may not be the point, however. Most Americans have no interpretation of Scripture impacting their lives at all. The latest Barna survey of 1,002 adults nationwide indicates that only 5 percent of Americans claim a biblical worldview. In spite of the fact that most Americans consider themselves to be Christian, very few adults base their moral decisions on the Bible, and surprisingly few believe that absolute moral truth exists.

So if not the Bible, on what do Americans base their moral decisions? According to the study, some 54 percent said they use specific principles or standards they believe in. Another group (24 percent) simply does what feels right or comfortable. The rest are conflict avoiders and base their decisions on pleasing people or on whatever choice will create the best outcome.

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TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: cino; elca; gayagenda; homosexualagenda; liberaltheology; lutheran; nolongerchristian
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To: Vibiana

But preceeding that is the command to love God with all our heart, mind, and strength. And in order to do that, one must keep His commands and precepts. Loving your gay neighbor, as a Christian, should propell you to dissuade him from his rampant, unrepentant sin of sexual immorality (which is covetous, lust, and idolatrous).

Liberals who tell the sodomites that what they're doing is a-ok are actually doing more harm than good, by further enabling it's destructive behavior.

Who does more damage to the unrepentant queer? Those who tell him that Jesus can take away his sins and cleanse him from all unrighteousness? Or the enabling Liberal who not only enables the bahavior, but tells him that he was born that way and can never change?

Man + Woman = Family. God's plan. He created it and called it "good". Jesus reiterated this in Matthew. You cannot add, take away, or attempt to make it better.


41 posted on 08/12/2005 1:14:55 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("For the day of the Lord is great and very awesome, who can endure it?" Joel2:11)
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To: All

Anyone hear a zot?

I didn't even smell the ozone.


42 posted on 08/12/2005 1:14:57 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Vibiana
Christ has never spoken of homosexuality in the New Testament. He gave us ONE commandment: love one another.

Matthew 22

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Careful, the first commandment was to love the Lord thy God with all aspects of our self, this includes honoring His Commandments

Please attend to all of His commandments
To do different is at your peril

Your in Christ
43 posted on 08/12/2005 1:17:28 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: newgeezer

I agree - with Vabiana's posts all missing it's not nearly as entertaining.

Any way to restore them but not allow Vabiana to post?


44 posted on 08/12/2005 1:18:04 PM PDT by day10 (Rules cannot substitute for character.)
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To: claudiustg
.......on what do Americans base their moral decisions?
45 posted on 08/12/2005 1:20:03 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: day10; FormerLib
Any way to restore them but not allow Vabiana to post?

Of course there is. The question is, is anyone with the power willing to do so?

I didn't smell the ozone, either. I'm bummed.

46 posted on 08/12/2005 1:20:17 PM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible. Words mean things!)
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To: FormerLib

They LOVE death, they dress up death into flowery civil rights language.


47 posted on 08/12/2005 1:20:36 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: newgeezer
Why was Vabiana (sp?) banned and all his/her posts removed? Did (s)he say something so nasty?

Where it crossed the line was probably when it accused people on this site of teaching that hatred it OK. The first post was obvious enough that we had a liberal troll on our hands, but it just kept going downhill from there.

48 posted on 08/12/2005 1:20:48 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right

I commend all you Freepers who tried to explain the Word to Vabiana - wonderful stuff.


49 posted on 08/12/2005 1:22:39 PM PDT by day10 (Rules cannot substitute for character.)
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To: claudiustg

Genesis 9:20-27 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.


50 posted on 08/12/2005 1:23:13 PM PDT by Porterville (I am the river. I am the rock. My YING beat the crap out of your YANG millenia ago.)
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To: Always Right
Where it crossed the line was probably when it accused people on this site of teaching that hatred it OK.

I certainly hope it takes more than that to get the zot.

As long as the discourse was civil, I see no reason to cut it off. (That is, unless we think we're incapable of debating our way out of a paper bag... ;)

51 posted on 08/12/2005 1:26:16 PM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible. Words mean things!)
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To: newgeezer
I certainly hope it takes more than that to get the zot.

It usually does, but when a newbie is involved the mods probably just don't want to mess around.

As long as the discourse was civil, I see no reason to cut it off.

I agree, but it is not like we haven't been down that road 100 times. The mods just sped up the inevitable. Besides the only interesting thing I found with a google search on that name were porn sites.

52 posted on 08/12/2005 1:34:08 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: newgeezer
Actually I used someones mispelling. Vibiana was some saint. Vabiana is a porn site queen.
53 posted on 08/12/2005 1:39:00 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: day10
Exodus 20

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

I fear for the followers in these churches They turn away from His Commandments at their whim, the witness of the Church is dimmed, and the Light of the Word is diminished
54 posted on 08/12/2005 1:56:59 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: BibChr
Lierals

Yes indeed. Good one.

55 posted on 08/12/2005 3:43:24 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: day10

Too bad I am just reading this and missed all the posts from Vibania. But sad days we are living in. 5% Biblical World view....that explains what is wrong with our morals as a nation. There IS absolute truth in Scripture, but we are missing it.


56 posted on 08/15/2005 2:37:49 AM PDT by TheresaKett
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To: newgeezer

Wow there are about 7 comments removed by the time I got to your post to me.


57 posted on 08/15/2005 5:17:54 AM PDT by biblewonk (A house of cards built on Matt 16:18)
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