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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: A CA Guy

It would probably disagree with them ... and considering they lived mostly on horsemeat, that's saying something!


721 posted on 08/01/2005 6:29:47 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: NicknamedBob

Under the mattress?

Dad built false walls in the closets on several houses to store guns and other valuables, and once a whole gun-cabinet setup in a 1/2-height attic space. He could probably do something with my husband's closet - mine has the baby's bed (and the baby) in it, in addition to all my clothes and craft supplies, including two looms. It's very crowded in there!


722 posted on 08/01/2005 6:31:45 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Tax-chick
True, going from horse meat to dinosaur bones is drastic.
723 posted on 08/01/2005 6:33:09 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Heh heh! I hear marrow is nourishing, but I'd be concerned about contamination.


724 posted on 08/01/2005 6:35:18 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: NicknamedBob

If we're at Eniwetok, why can't I get any decent fresh fish?


725 posted on 08/01/2005 6:36:09 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: scott0347

YEA, Scott!


726 posted on 08/01/2005 6:39:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Tax-chick

Hillary would cause dinorea for sure.


727 posted on 08/01/2005 6:40:08 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!


728 posted on 08/01/2005 6:40:30 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Tax-chick
"If we're at Eniwetok, why can't I get any decent fresh fish?"

My advice is to check at the markets where they sell ocean-fish, unless you like the extra drumsticks.

729 posted on 08/01/2005 6:40:38 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Tax-chick

I'm off for a bit. See ya!


730 posted on 08/01/2005 6:41:46 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
I'm off for a bit. See ya!

Heck, I'm WAY off, all the time. Just be glad you're off only a bit.

731 posted on 08/01/2005 7:29:50 PM PDT by Genesis defender
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To: sionnsar

Thanks for the ping! I love the smell of roasted troll in the evening. He was outed fast, wasn't he?


732 posted on 08/01/2005 8:36:53 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Rca2000
So... You are what likes to be called a "fiscal conservative". To me, that is NOT a "conservative. because, "fiscal" conservatives say "I'm for smaller governmemt" Well.. ALL politicians will TAKE our money... SO... IMHO-- a so-called "fiscal" conservative" is nothing more than a LIBERAL..

Now I have a term that you can use for folks like those, "fiscal conservatives, "liberals who want a tax cut." Well, tax cuts ain't bad, really, but like you, I want to point out the fact they are still liberals. As to the homosexual marriage, I remember back in 1979 when I was in junior high, someone mentioned the idea and we all had the biggest belly laugh about it saying how stupid it was and it would never happen. Well, it ain't 1979 anymore. B-P I have always seen that the liberals do have their various factions they have to please and if they fail to please everyone in the gaggle, they will fall apart and destroy themselves, but I see that same thing on our side too to where we might not notice the liberal's self destruction, we will be too busy blowing ourselves up or melting down. I see it all the time, Judeo-Christian conservatives vs. the more libertarian Ayn Randers, Pro-Terri vs. Anti-Terri, well, since you wrote about it, you get the idea. I just think the liberal/conservative, Red/Blue, whatever, the one dimensional axis we all know is too simplistic, I've seen things like the Nolan Charts that describes political leaning in a two dimensional fashion and I've seen even a three dimensional version of it. You have your fiscal conservative yet socially liberal Ayn Randers and socially conservative FDR Democrats for example as well as other types too.
733 posted on 08/01/2005 8:47:36 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Ham Radio Operator's Lament - "No wanna work, wanna talk on radio!")
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To: NicknamedBob

I think it was something about Klaatu being a gringo.


734 posted on 08/01/2005 8:56:29 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Tagline money spent on transmission repairs. Oh look! I found a nickel!)
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To: international american

"It's psycho- babble . I just made it up : )"

Of course I knew, I was just pulling your leg.

Here is one I found:

"Objective consideration of contemporay phenomena compels the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account."


735 posted on 08/01/2005 9:28:38 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: NicknamedBob

LOL!

Power outage?

I had one yesterday. The PC and A/C went blip.


736 posted on 08/01/2005 9:31:57 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: HKMk23

I think you're reading too much into it.

It was only a message to his fellow non-Earthlings about Al Gore being on the Tonight show tonight.

I really don't know who Darks was channeling, but he came out of it okay.


737 posted on 08/01/2005 9:40:41 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: TAquinas; international american
"Objective consideration of contemporay phenomena compels the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account."

Translation: Prepare all you want to; it helps to be lucky.

738 posted on 08/01/2005 9:46:23 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

"Translation: Prepare all you want to; it helps to be lucky."

So, that's what it says? Why didn't they say so?

Thanks.


739 posted on 08/01/2005 9:57:32 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: TAquinas

I sure wish I could get paid by the word.


740 posted on 08/01/2005 9:59:52 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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