Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB
For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.
The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.
I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.
There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.
Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.
So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.
However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.
I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."
At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.
I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.
With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.
This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.
With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."
Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.
With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.
These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.
I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.
I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....
But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.
As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.
Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.
If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.
Welcome!
We're still trying to move the castle, but NnB should have that underway soon. The kitchen and bar are always open, and so is the gym.
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Wassup in sunny CA today? It's nice to see you online again. Man! That was really a long dry spell! I hope you don't have to do that too often!
Do not attempt to adjust the picture.
We Are now controlling the thread.
We control the horizontal and the vertical.
We can bombard your thread with thousands of posts and expand your zotting to crystal clarity and beyond.
We can shape your zotting to anything our imagination can conceive.
From now on, we control all that you see and hear.
You are about to experience the humiliation that expands from your deepest zot to the outer limits.
Thanks :)
You will come to know a new level of PAIN.
About 74 degrees, and sunny. I will be here another month, and then off to Malaysia.
Lights are out and gates locked over at the old thread. The Titans have been set loose upon it, so lurk there at your own peril.
Oh, and I brought out the flag. Everyone just up and left and it was almost forgotten.
Let's mybe only go 1/4 of the way to the End of the 'Net, this time. Maybe limiting the thread to 16384 posts would alleviate some of the lag problem.
There is pain.............
There is relentless unbearable pain.................
And there is DARKSHEARE pain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It looks as those we will change threads each month, to forestall any lag times in the higher numbers.
I'm glad you brought the flag...And thanks for the check on the old site...turning the Titans loose one it was a good thought!
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Wow. Globe traveler, huh?
How long will you be gone this itme?
Could be 6 months, could be less. I can still post over there. In China, it was more difficult.
The lag in the last thread seemed to be due to our thread being active when the forum went down.
So the servers caching the thread never caught up with each other.
We shouldn't have much of an issue with lag on a new thread, but just in case...
KMB shall know the pain of having his thread taken over and used for nefarious purposes, such as squashing other tolls.
Such shall be his unbearable torment... FOREVER.
Sounds fair to me.
Hey everyone :-)
How's your weekend going?
Sorry, I just remembered that this is a civic holiday here, and no one knows what I'm talking about.
Nothing new there.
I think I'll go look at the moat.
More than fair.
Means he gets inluded, unwillingly, in all our activities!
Hi!
What's new?
Eye Doccer appointment this afternoon at 5.
I get to find out just how blind I really am.
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