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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Monkey Face
You got that on your bio page?

No. I try to be modest. 8o) But now that I've blown my cover, I may as well add it.

4,401 posted on 08/20/2005 4:21:50 PM PDT by HKMk23 ('Re you gonna eat that?)
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To: HKMk23

LOL! Thanks! I mean, I can always go there if I need a reminder about who to bow to...;o]


4,402 posted on 08/20/2005 4:23:53 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

LOL!

That story short came about due to my experiences with technology.


4,403 posted on 08/20/2005 4:31:00 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Monkey Face
What?? Are you trying to say that you're mechanized?? [Having "My Science Project" visuals, here. 8o) ]

I mean, there HAVE been the occasional humans who have prostrated themselves before me...er, uh, ahem...I digress.

In my Official capacity, only the mechanized are obliged to make their obeisance before me.

4,404 posted on 08/20/2005 4:32:12 PM PDT by HKMk23 ('Re you gonna eat that?)
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To: HKMk23

LOL!




I'm going to have to steal that for a story.


4,405 posted on 08/20/2005 4:32:32 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: HKMk23

"What?? Are you trying to say that you're mechanized?? [Having "My Science Project" visuals, here. 8o) ]"

Er...I can't tell you that. But could you hand me that oil can? I'm a little stiff in the left elbow.


4,406 posted on 08/20/2005 4:34:30 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

*comes crashing through the roof, ruining the whole "lurking thing"*

You could do a search for dragon pics & stuff. I have a book
& pen my best friend got me for Christmas. I refuse to use it.

As for frogs, I found a few online stores that have various frog
related items as well as one for dragons.


4,407 posted on 08/20/2005 4:49:56 PM PDT by Darkchylde ("There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats." - Albert Schweitzer)
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To: Monkey Face
When I'm dancing close to her
(blinding me with science)
I can hear machinery
(blinding me with science)

[Gasp!] Tell me you didn't say "oil can"!

AAAIIEEEKK! The Indiscriminate Innuendo Generator is coming on-line!

Oil can?  You are in need of lubri...
[The voice cuts off as the High Priest intervenes at the Altar of The Holy Switch, shunting the Generator load to Las Vegas, where they won't notice.]
4,408 posted on 08/20/2005 4:54:19 PM PDT by HKMk23 ('Re you gonna eat that?)
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To: Darkchylde

When I went to visit my son two summers ago, we drove to Eureka Springs Arkansas to the VW Rally. There is a frog shop there with nothing but frogs...also, there is this one: http://www.allaboutfrogs.org/

There are a couple more but I'll have to find them. They got shifted when I had to change CPU's. My favorite frog stuff is just to look at, no matter what it is. Someday, when I'm no longer moving around, I will get a display case with glass doors.


4,409 posted on 08/20/2005 4:55:46 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Darksheare
...steal that for a story.

Steal away.  My guess is it wouldn't be the FIRST time.
[Eh? Eh? Wink, wink, nudge nudge, say no more, say no more.]

4,410 posted on 08/20/2005 4:58:43 PM PDT by HKMk23 ('Re you gonna eat that?)
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To: HKMk23

"[Gasp!] Tell me you didn't say "oil can"!"

OK. I didn't say "oil can." (Uh-oh...there goes my nose again...)

"...[The voice cuts off as the High Priest intervenes at the Altar of The Holy Switch, shunting the Generator load to Las Vegas, where they won't notice.]"

That's odd...my components came from Las Vegas. Perhaps that's why I feel the need to strip my gears...?


4,411 posted on 08/20/2005 4:59:42 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: HKMk23

"[Eh? Eh? Wink, wink, nudge nudge, say no more, say no more.]"

Do you always repeat yourself? Do you always repeat yourself?


4,412 posted on 08/20/2005 5:00:52 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: DJ MacWoW; Monkey Face

"As a teenager, I thought everyone
wanted to hear my opinion."

I don't really care if someone WANTS
to hear my opinion, if they do something
that strikes me, they're going to hear it.

"And I'm not quite as "mouthy" as I was
when I was younger."

I'm always complaining she "mellowed".
There will be times I wait for her to
pound someone flat.... & wait.... & wait.
I got my verbal talents from her, but I'm
not as good as her... though she doesn't
flatten people like she used to. It was
spectacular.


4,413 posted on 08/20/2005 5:05:32 PM PDT by Darkchylde ("There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats." - Albert Schweitzer)
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To: Monkey Face
Well, I have:

The Frog Store

Frog Gifts.com

&

Frog Nirvana

I haven't bought anything from
them, but I like the stuff they have.

4,414 posted on 08/20/2005 5:12:10 PM PDT by Darkchylde ("There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats." - Albert Schweitzer)
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To: Darkchylde; DJ MacWoW

LOL!

Yah, that's kinda like my sister. If you got in her way, you better be careful. There was an incident in a bar when she was "a bit younger" where a biker said something to her about the music she had just selected, and she flattened him. Literally.

I never messed with her.


4,415 posted on 08/20/2005 5:14:15 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face
"oil can"
"strip my gears"

Har-dee-har-har. Keep it up, Sister, I'll just leave the Generator tied into the Vegas grid all night. Of course, the unusual power modulations will likely cause some very strange anomalies with local electronics. Might be some unusual jackpots this evening.

4,416 posted on 08/20/2005 5:15:36 PM PDT by HKMk23 ('Re you gonna eat that?)
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To: Darkchylde

I had two of those links on the other hard drive, so thanks!

I'll see if I can find the one for the store in Eureka Springs. It was really cool.


4,417 posted on 08/20/2005 5:17:02 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: HKMk23
"...Of course, the unusual power modulations will likely cause some very strange anomalies..."

For a moment, I thought that said "undulations" and I was wondering if I would need the oil can again...

4,418 posted on 08/20/2005 5:20:50 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face; DJ MacWoW; Darksheare

Well, I'm not physically threatening... I
don't think. Somehow I manage to be
mouthy & have never gotten a smack for
it. Amazingly, most people don't mess
with me after being verbally lambasted.


4,419 posted on 08/20/2005 5:21:23 PM PDT by Darkchylde ("There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats." - Albert Schweitzer)
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To: Monkey Face

Welcome. I could give the dragon link if you want...


4,420 posted on 08/20/2005 5:22:40 PM PDT by Darkchylde ("There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats." - Albert Schweitzer)
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