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To: FBD

Well, I'm not jumping ship yet because I regard the DNC as the shark in the water over the railing.

The biggest change is a beginning of change away from a "high central" federal control to more respect for state-determination, state level determinations. Which is a good thing (we really need to get the Supreme Court away from making legislation and back to ensuring Constitutional respect, and the Democrats are fighting that change tooth and nail, to put it mildly and any Democrat control will again set the S.C. back to legislating from the bench via extremely liberal perspectives).

Thus, if the Republican control has accomplished anything of value, it's that we'll have two more S.C. moderates in place by 2008 and hopefully, some sort of change to the U.N., if only to identify more clearly the dishonesty there.

It's gotten to where either party has to boil everything down to some centrist jello that everyone will still barely agree upon and we're left with not so much innovation and leadership as a group in D.C. who, who...who disappoint me with every passing day.

I can't stand the idea of Hillary Clinton with Bill back in the White House becaus as bad as things are now, they'll be far worse if she lands there in 2008. However, we need a strong RNC candidate and soon. Frist is out, McCain is out, Rice is not likely to win over Hillary (so is not a good candidate to my view for many reasons and not because she isn't capable but because she won't win over Hillary if they run against one another)...so we need someone and soon to disallow this maudlin defeatism from setting in. I feel it beginning to, is my point, among conservatives, largely based upon a lot of disappointments about the immigration issues.


14 posted on 07/30/2005 9:28:20 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: BIRDS
>"The biggest change is a beginning of change away from a "high central" federal control to more respect for state-determination, state level determinations."<

I don't know...the Real ID Act seemed like a good idea, but it appears to be a national ID, that will require another bureaucracy to administer the data base. It hardly seems like a decentralizing act...

>"It's gotten to where either party has to boil everything down to some centrist jello that everyone will still barely agree upon and we're left with not so much innovation and leadership as a group in D.C. who, who...who disappoint me with every passing day."<

Well said.

"I can't stand the idea of Hillary Clinton with Bill back in the White House becaus as bad as things are now, they'll be far worse if she lands there in 2008."

I too, could not stand the idea of Hillary Clinton as President. But that will only happen if Republican party continues to veer left, in search of a bigger and bigger tent.

I'll still vote for solid conservative Republicans, but the party will not get any more financial support from me, and I have already registered as an independent. It's my way of protesting this b.s.

regards

20 posted on 07/30/2005 10:18:23 PM PDT by FBD ("...the border is a dangerous place..."~DHS Sec. Michael Chertoff House Testimony)
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To: BIRDS
Well, I'm not jumping ship yet because I regard the DNC as the shark in the water over the railing.

If the Dems had the presidency, and this stuff were proposed, "our" Republicans in the HOR and Senate would be fighting it tooth and nail. Now, they're just acting like a ruling class that doesn't give a damn about the voting public except for a little manipulation and a little window dressing here and there.

The way the Republican party is marginalizing it's base, they're going to have to have a President Hillary to get people to contribute again.

40 posted on 07/31/2005 11:02:57 AM PDT by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: BIRDS; FBD
"...so we need someone and soon to disallow this maudlin defeatism from setting in. I feel it beginning to, is my point, among conservatives, largely based upon a lot of disappointments about the immigration issues."

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45 posted on 07/31/2005 1:44:25 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: BIRDS

The "two-party system" is an illusion. We've been shoved past the point of no return. Get ready for things to get much worse, very fast.


51 posted on 08/29/2005 12:48:45 PM PDT by steenkeenbadges (Behold a pale horse.)
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