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To: narby
Christians could also believe that God created chance

Think about what you just posted: God created chance.

Are you suggesting that an omnipotent, omniscient being created a mechanism that produces outcomes that He cannot predict? "Chance" with a known outcome is not chance.
53 posted on 07/22/2005 8:28:52 AM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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To: mike182d; narby; Stark_GOP; PatrickHenry
Are you suggesting that an omnipotent, omniscient being created a mechanism that produces outcomes that He cannot predict?

He could if he wanted it that way, right? Think carefully before you answer that one.

Are *you* suggesting that an omnipotent, omniscient being would even bother creating something that was, from his perspective, fore-ordained in every single detail? How boring. Just imagining it would be the same for him. And where in the heck is free will in that (his, *or* ours)?

Are you limiting an omnipotent being by refusing to allow the possibility that he might want to make a system that doesn't bore him to tears, by crafting it in a way that he doesn't craft every last detail of it -- that can delight him with its surprises and ability to produce results he didn't script in advance? (How can an omniscient being be surprised, you ask? By choosing not to "peek at the ending" of a process that he crafts to run on its own in undeterministic ways.)

Your notion of ominipotence is a very small one.

73 posted on 07/22/2005 9:17:14 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: mike182d; Stark_GOP
"Are you suggesting that an omnipotent, omniscient being created a mechanism that produces outcomes that He cannot predict?

Did God create probability waves?

101 posted on 07/22/2005 10:21:18 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: mike182d
Are you suggesting that an omnipotent, omniscient being created a mechanism that produces outcomes that He cannot predict?

No. God creates a mechanism whose outcome man cannot predict. Hence, to scientists it is chance. To God, it is is not.

When scientists say random mutations help produce evolution, they mean it is random from man's point of view.

271 posted on 07/22/2005 4:48:08 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: mike182d
Are you suggesting that an omnipotent, omniscient being created a mechanism that produces outcomes that He cannot predict? "Chance" with a known outcome is not chance.

Well, we now have a "mutant topic"--this would be a nice segue to "free will" vs. "determinism".

We will see how well this conversational genotype survives in this thread...

Cheers!

Full Disclosure: Was it design or chance that I posted this remark, and helped a new topic on its way? Yes, I saw the thread, read, and posted on purpose: but if the cat had come by five minutes earlier, I'd have missed this thread entirely...

293 posted on 07/23/2005 6:45:51 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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