[franksolich]

Posted this morning.

[franksolich]

Well, as a replacement for the DUmmie Alert!s, let's see how this works out.

[Charles Henrickson]

Say hello to a bottomless rage
WilliamPitt Fri Jul-08-05 01:52 PM
I am putting a few people on notice. You know who you are, you know what you did, and a good man has gone down in no small part because of you. Throwing sand into the gears of the PayPal donations blew Andy off the surgery rotation, casusing him to have to wait a lot longer for his operation. . . . I think you f*ckers [asterisked for profanity] should be forced to dig his grave. I think you should be buried with him. . . . I am going to make you famous in all the worst kinds of ways. I know your names, I know your addresses, I know your IP numbers, I have screen shots and copies of every vile statement and threat you ever made. I know everything I need to know. Get ready for the ram. You are graveyard rats. I am going to grind you under my bootheel, scrape you off with a blade, and feed you to my cat. . . . Those on the list know who they are. Bad days are ahead for them. I promise.

75. I know for a fact their actions were contributory.

189. My questions played no part whatsoever in the restriction of funds. . . .

212. Something was wrong and I found out what it was. What was wrong was 15 different people walking around with little bits of the whole story, and then posting them here in little bits, lending the sense that there were fifteen different versions of the truth. . . . I established what the actual facts were, and made sure that I was part of the information loop. . . .

271. People who asked questions because of legitimate concerns regarding the fundraising process, and because of all the diferent information that was flying around, know who they are and should be at peace about asking. www.scamdy.com These are the people who should be worried. It's pretty straightforward, actually. Legitimate concerns vs. a deep desire to do harm to a sick man.

For the record
WilliamPitt Sat Jul-09-05 04:18 PM
I was not threatening anyone physically in my previous posts. . . . It felt appropriate at the time, but obviously could be construed as an actual physical threat of violence. It wasn't.

The Best of Us - an essay for Andy
WilliamPitt Sun Jul-10-05 12:51 PM
They deliberately interfered with the PayPal donations process organized by Andy’s friends, causing a delay in payment to the hospital which blew Andy off the surgical rotation for many critical days. . . . actions taken with the direct intent to harm a dying man. . . .

[Charles Henrickson]

[Here's what I posted this morning on DUFU and on the previous DUHH. Now that we have a distinct new thread on the subject, I'll post it here, too:]

What we need to address, are the reports that Andy died, the hate-filled accusations that we deliberately intended to harm Andy and are to blame for his death, and the actual threats now directed toward us.

When it became apparent several days ago that Andy was not in fact getting better and had taken a dramatic turn for the worse and now was gravely ill, I said that we should "lay off." And I was willing to let the matter rest. But since then, DU, led by Pitt, has gone wild with hatred, with almost a mob mentality. To some extent I can understand and even excuse a confused, irrational, emotional outburst immediately after the death of a friend. That is natural. Yet I also think we could relieve them of some of this burden of hate they are carrying right now.

Frankly, if/when Pitt calms down a bit, I would like to invite him over here to a thread where we could talk this out--no satire, no invective--and he could see that to raise the same sort of questions he himself raised does not make one a "graveyard rat" or "ghoul" who deliberately tried to kill Andy. For all the poking fun I've done with Pitt over the months, I do recognize that he can think and he can analyze and he can write, in a fashion, although I disagree with his political presuppositions. Perhaps, though, he wants to hold on to his hate and is not willing to engage in a sane dialogue with a FReeper.

BTW, I should add that there are many DUers who have been calmer voices of reason in this and who rightly do not blame us for Andy's death.

Since we were so active in discussing the Andy situation for more than two months, I think we now need to bring some closure to that discussion and respond to these concerns.

[Allosaurs_r_us]

Perhaps the DUmmie "William Pitt" is unsure and shaky in his own political convictions, and so as to reinforce them, hangs around with his own crowd, fearful of looking into what another crowd is doing or saying, lest his political convictions get shattered

 

Well he certainly disappeared over at CU when we shot his so called "proof" down in flames. Since then they have been playing tag team stupidity on every forum I have read.

 

But the post-office clerk was so diligent in his tasks that he remained oblivious, utterly ignorant, of the noise and tumult and fire and smoke outside his front window, until he had finished accounting for the final pencil-stub and paper-clip.

Only then did he look up, look outside the windows upon his destroyed village, and in stunned shock and awe, stuttered, "What happened?"

This excerpt describes the whole of the DemoncRat party. When London is attacked by terrorists the Dims are screaming that the world is in more danger because we choose to defend ourselves against those that mean to do us harm. They never stop to realize it will never make a difference until the enemy is destroyed. They still think they can "negotiate" their way to peace with Islamic Fundamentalists, even after being educated to the fact that they wish us annhilated, not negotiated.

[Lx]

While I think the Dummy Funnies in no way contributed to Andy's death, I think we should at least acknowledge the poor guy's untimely death.

From what I read, he had an opportunistic infection that took over. I also read he was allergic to sulfa compounds. I though penicillin was different but I don't know. I also read he had a small stroke before the infection and lost partial vision in one of his eyes. Talk about things going downhill quickly. This is one of those things that really peeves me. They released him pretty damn quick from Johns Hopkins, it's amazing what hospitals do to save money. The things they now do as outpatient surgery are ridiculous.

The where do we go now thing is ummm kind of morbid, he's dead, I don't think he had anything to do with any fraud that might have contributed to his cause. Being a worker for Bev didn't help but I believed Andy way more than I would trust a single word from Bev.

I can't for the life of my understand why it took the Doctors so long to operate. They should have had an idea he might have cancer when they put in the stent. Like I said before, I would choose the hospital with the best % of success. This makes me think the Doctors didn't make it clear of the danger he was in by waiting. Who knows? The poor guy's dead and went quick, didn't he have the stent in February? It's July what's that 6 months? Talk about a quick moving cancer. I know he died from infection but that was quick. From what I've seen and read, that's the way it is with pancreatic cancer. Which is why it makes no sense that the doctors would even let him wait so long.

I don't want to sound holier than though but let his family and friends go through the grieving process.

[Barset]

ckson; PJ-Comix; franksolich

Amazona on DU called Pitt out for using Andy's death as an opportunity to promote --- Pitt. She told him off for threatening people who had questioned the fundraising. It was a well-reasoned post; other DUers pointed out Pitt's hypocrisy since Pitt had twice questioned the legitimacy of the fund-raiser.

This was posted on Conservative Underground in "Best and Worst of DU" under "Pitt is Pi...ed." Pitt is back on DU today reminiscing about breaking in to his incompetent friends' apartments after they locked themselves out. His "fury" about the "Andy Situation" appears to have subsided since Saturday.

Lots of chit-chat about vengeance. Am not sure they understand that if there is an ongoing investigation to determine if there is evidence of a possible conspiracy to use the internet to defraud, that the death of a possible subject of interest would not close down the investigation.

Outright assertions that the mail-room at Johns Hopkins losing the checks caused JH to delay surgery, was the cause of death.

Other DUers hold the position that paypal might be responsible since they held up funds after a DUer complained to paypal, or Bev Harris worked her black-box magic on paypal.

Suggestions that Andy's estate can sue for "criminal negligence;" others dismiss suggestions. No responses, as yet, from paypal or JH, to what some might consider libel.

Can't remember if it was a DUer or CUer who wondered why there was no obituary for Andy in either of the papers of record in Seattle, nor in the papers in ElPaso, Andy's hometown.

The alternative newspaper for which reporter Howland works, published an article by Howland on Andy's death, in which Pitt was quoted. Howland stated that Andy was survived by his mother, his partner, Ted, his dog, "Ballot," and two sisters. There was no reference as to which sister had "refused to open her checkbook" for Andy, as Andy had stated in one of the begging threads on DU.

A DUer posted a letter she/he had "found in her e-mails" supposedly from Andy asking people to support Velvet Revolution, think it was a fund-raising letter. Seemed to imply it was recent. Other DUers object, implying it was a crass exploitation of Andy's death, and that it was an old letter from March or April.

Lots of fund-raising suggestions, on Kos and DU. Funds for flowers, suggestions for funds to pay funeral expenses; none of these are coming from Andy's family. Fund-raising contemplated to "continue Andy's work."

Memorial service to be held this weekend in Seattle. Not sure if it's a funeral service.

One DUer stated if he/she had a terminal illness, he/she would "take out" a few conservatives. Calls to violence, as the one against franksolich, not in evidence, although Pitt's rant that he has "IPs, names, addresses, etc." might be construed as a threat.

There may be more information on DU and Kos. I limited myself to CU.

85 posted on 07/11/2005 8:30:25 AM PDT by Barset
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To: TheBigB
That was Howar

[Jack of all Trades]

Dang man, the guy is dead. Don't you have any sense of decency? You were wrong, and you trumpetted your mistaken assumptions all over Free Republic. Are you a shill or what?

Piss off.

[lainie]

William Pitt has been discussed here for years and years. Didn't he used to appear on CNN? Heh..until someone informed them that he posted vitriolic idiocy at DU.

[finnman69]

It's not the first time WP uses Orwellian 'down the memory hole'revisionism to flat out change his past proclamations.

[Charles Henrickson]

Will Pitt's threads rasing the same sorts of questions we have raised:

I'm pretty upset right now, and I need an explanation

'Need an explanation' Thread II

You were not the only one that "needed an explanation," Will. Perhaps you could enlighten us and answer some questions.

[Not A Snowbird]

Andy's dead? When?

[Charles Henrickson]

The gist of Pitt's/DU's accusation against us is that we deliberately caused Andy's death by delaying Andy's surgery. That is wrong on so many levels that it will take a number of posts to mention all the ways. But let's start with the delay of the surgery, and why that happened, and then even the nature and severity of the illness itself.

Now look below at the confusion that reigns even among Andy insiders! They can't get their story straight! Were the checks lost in the mailroom? That seems to be the reason given here. Did Andy have pancreatic cancer--or not? Is the prognosis good--or even "unclear," as was stated in the pro-Andy Seattle Weekly piece on Andy last week?

Now if the Andy insiders put forward so many inconsistencies in their stories, and then they beat down on their fellow DUers who ask legitimate questions, is it any wonder that this strange behavior raises red flags among us?

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greatauntoftriplets
Tue May-10-05 09:33 AM
ANDY'S SURGERY HAS BEEN CANCELLED FOR TODAY....
He arrived at the hospital this morning and was told that they had not received the checks and that the surgery was cancelled. After raising holy hell and traipsing around Johns Hopkins, Andy learned that the checks were on the mailroom supervisor's desk at 11:45 yesterday morning, but were not sent to Financial Services. The checks were marked for Financial Services and had Andy's name and patient ID number on it. He now has to talk to the doctor to find out when it is rescheduled. As he says, a simple phone call would have resolved this and he would be in surgery right this minute.

MissWaverly
Sun May-15-05 05:15 PM
10. Andy is staying with me in Baltimore-Miss Waverly
Last week there were setbacks that delayed his surgery, when Andy arrived last Monday in Baltimore, the check that he sent registered mail to Hopkins could not be found, so they canceled the surgery, we tracked the check down by the next morning but it was too late by then to do any good, but it turns out that the surgery could not have be done Tuesday anyway because Andy needed a super duper test first, well billing now has the certified check, he has had his preliminary test and surgery is now scheduled for May 26th, they will try and move up the date (Andy is now on standby & will move up if there is an opening.)

bettyellen
Tue May-17-05 12:22 AM
17. i guess you didn't read the link where JH says the prognosis is great!

bettyellen
Tue May-17-05 08:05 AM
30.
it is a tumour on the duct, not the pancreas themselves. it looks to not have spread at all. it is not pancreatic cancer as others have posted

benburch
Tue May-17-05 08:13 AM
32. I know *you* have a clear picture of this situation.
Please have some patience with somebody who was trying to figure it out from postings on this forum, which have said everything from "He's got wildfire cancer and will die in days" to the dastardly untrue allegations that he isn't really sick. I know and believe he is sick, and I also know and believe that he raised the money he said he did and is now awaiting surgery. But until I posted this thread I still thought it was a confirmed diagnosis of pancreatic cancer, and that is not a happy diagnosis. I am glad to hear that it is a duct tumor, and that it has a good prognosis.

benburch
Tue May-17-05 08:44 AM
35.
I'm glad things are as you describe them, but honestly, could anybody have figured this out from what has been posted here in the past? . . . Now that I know that the condition is quite different from that, my concerns about the delay and his survival are quite different.

SheWhoMustBeObeyed
Tue May-17-05 09:31 AM
37.
I too have lost track of the actual diagnosis because there have been many conflicting posts regarding it. And you could not have figured it out from reading all the other posts, because this is the first time on DU that duct tumor has been indicated as the diagnosis. A duct tumor is good news compared to pancreatic cancer.

sfexpat2000
Tue May-17-05 11:14 AM
45. Hi there, the doc he's going to has a 90+% survival rate.

[MadIvan]

I think entirely too much attention is paid to Comrade Pitt, who is, in the final analysis, a pus filled wart on the backside of humanity. We "legitimise" his activities and probably get him grants for studying the mating patterns of Lesbian Whales by even dignifying his existence.

Regards, Ivan

[NEPA]

I'd like to be added to any ping lists regarding Andy.

[Charles Henrickson]

Two years ago, in June of 2003, I got an infection in my leg--apparently the same type of infection that Andy got, i.e., a staph infection--just through a little scab on the back of my calf that hadn't quite healed. It spread up and down my leg, got into my bloodstream (septicemia), gave me pneumonia, and very nearly killed me. I was in the hospital for 13 days, had a very high fever for a week solid, and was pumped so full of antibiotics that I developed an allergic reaction to penicillin, which I can never take again.

What I learned from this experience is the very great danger of infection. It literally could strike anyone at any time. We all are surrounded by bazillions of little bugs every day. The skin is the first line of defense. Any break in your body's defense system, and the wrong kind of bug gets in there--it can kill you. I nearly died from infection getting in through a little scab on my leg. Now imagine the risk of infection when one has abdominal surgery, of any kind.

My point is this: If a staph infection got into Andy's blood system and killed him, it doesn't matter if the surgery was delayed, for whatever reason--the very fact of surgery at all literally opened him up to the risk of infection.

Furthermore, if Andy had pancreatic cancer, it doesn't matter if the surgery was delayed for a few days in May. And if it then got into his lymph nodes, as was reported, it doesn't matter if the surgery was delayed for a few days in May. In either case, sad to say, he wasn't going to make it anyway.

If any delay did make a difference--and frankly, I don't think it did--it would have been the big delay from January or February (when symptoms started appearing) to May--while earlier surgery in Washington was being passed up--and not the minor delay from May 10 to May 25, because of either lost checks in the mailroom or a "super duper test."

BOTTOM LINE: NOBODY "KILLED" ANDY.

Much less deliberately.

Again, no one here wished Andy ill. I and many others wished Andy good health, many, many times. No one here rejoices in his death.

[doug from upland]

Some of us will actually say a quiet prayer for Andy's soul.

[kevkrom]

Geez... I go away for a long weekend and all hell breaks loose, pretty much literally. I actually find myself surprised over Andy Stephenson's death, mostly because it was so hard to get any kind of consistent and credible information about his condition. Even the cause of death seems open to speculation -- though if it was indeed related to post-operative infection, it once again proves the old adage that "there is no such thing as minor surgery".

In any event, my thoughts and prayers go out to Andy's friends and family, for their loss.

That said, this whole affair still stinks on ice, and Andy's passing should not be considered license to ignore or gloss over the gross irregularities involved in the fundraising appeals and methods.

[Checkers]

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