The DUmmie "William Pitt"

scamdy ^ | July 11, 2005 | the dread adminf

[franksolich]

For those watching the DUmmie "William Pitt" this past week was surely a wondrous one, full of explosive fireworks, on the heels of several weeks of utter silence on this subject from the DUmmie "William Pitt."

It appears the DUmmie "William Pitt" finally read what had been said about him.....about four weeks too late.

The guy is hurt, angry, insulted, and it showed.

This is reminescent of a similar event about nine weeks ago, when the acolytes of Andrew Stephenson finally discovered the DUmmie FUnnies, and were alas for them three weeks too late.

One suspects that during his weeks of silence on the matter, the DUmmie "William Pitt" had been ignoring the DUmmie FUnnies, the DUmmie Alert!s, and conservativeunderground, voluntarily unaware that such places were commenting upon his silence.

This has always mystified--and sometimes amused--me, this propensity of some segments in our society to ignore the "political opposition" as if it did not exist, or did not count.

It should be no wonder they keep losing elections.

Okay, so I am a Republican and a conservative, and hang around a great deal on Republican and conservative web-sites.....but I hang around a lot more on Democratic and liberal web-sites, to see what is going on, on the other side of the aisle.

Many people (of all political stripes) tend to hang around those whose values and perceptions match their own, for affirmation of those values and perceptions; by being along with like-thinking people, they feel strengthened, reinforced.

But a truly confident person has no need for "team support;" strong enough in his values and confident of his perceptions, he feels utterly unthreatened scouting around for values and perceptions different from his own.

Perhaps the DUmmie "William Pitt" is unsure and shaky in his own political convictions, and so as to reinforce them, hangs around with his own crowd, fearful of looking into what another crowd is doing or saying, lest his political convictions get shattered.

Which is no sign of a person confident about himself.

And it has obvious disadvantages, not looking at what "other side" is saying or doing.

When the DUmmiette "sfexpat2000" started the fund-raiser the afternoon of April 28, 2005, she should have posted her solicitation in DUmmieland, and immediately parked herself in front of the DUmmie FUnnies, to see what was being said about the matter, from the other side. If she had done that, the acolytes of Andrew Stephenson would have been aware of their missteps, their contradicitons, their omissions, in time to correct such things.

But no, instead, the DUmmiette "sfexpat2000" hung around her own crowd, in the comfortable cocoon of DUmmieland, voluntarily unaware of the furor outside, and the acolytes of Andrew Stephenson were three weeks--three weeks!--three weeks!--three weeks!--too late in seeing what the DUmmie FUnnies were saying about the matter, after which it was far too late to correct matters.

Such behavior--not looking to see what is going on in the great big wide world outside--I had compared with four affluent old dowagers (and remember, with only one exception, the acolytes of Andrew Stephenson are not young) gathering for their Wednesday afternoon bridge game, in an affluent living room with large picture-windows on all four sides.

While the rich old ladies gab and gossip around the card-table, in that living room with large windows all around, a tornado suddenly sweeps though.....and they indignantly wonder what had hit them.

The situation of the DUmmie "William Pitt" is more analogous to that of a post-office clerk in Germany the spring of 1945 (this is a true story, told me a long time ago by a British army veteran who had actually seen the sight); the guy so meticulous, so scrupulous in his duties, that he was unaware of the wider world outside.

While the post-office clerk was noting the number of staples, sheets of paper, various denominations of postage stamps, the metal and paper contents of the till, the British army swept through his town; much destruction, shooting, explosions, buildings falling down.

But the post-office clerk was so diligent in his tasks that he remained oblivious, utterly ignorant, of the noise and tumult and fire and smoke outside his front window, until he had finished accounting for the final pencil-stub and paper-clip.

Only then did he look up, look outside the windows upon his destroyed village, and in stunned shock and awe, stuttered, "What happened?"

[nina0113]

It's their standard mentality. Everything is someone ELSE's fault. There's no such thing as personal responsibility, and none of the poor decisions Mr. Stephenson made had any effect on his outcome.

[Allosaurs_r_us]

Perhaps the DUmmie "William Pitt" is unsure and shaky in his own political convictions, and so as to reinforce them, hangs around with his own crowd, fearful of looking into what another crowd is doing or saying, lest his political convictions get shattered

 

Well he certainly disappeared over at CU when we shot his so called "proof" down in flames. Since then they have been playing tag team stupidity on every forum I have read.

 

But the post-office clerk was so diligent in his tasks that he remained oblivious, utterly ignorant, of the noise and tumult and fire and smoke outside his front window, until he had finished accounting for the final pencil-stub and paper-clip.

Only then did he look up, look outside the windows upon his destroyed village, and in stunned shock and awe, stuttered, "What happened?"

This excerpt describes the whole of the DemoncRat party. When London is attacked by terrorists the Dims are screaming that the world is in more danger because we choose to defend ourselves against those that mean to do us harm. They never stop to realize it will never make a difference until the enemy is destroyed. They still think they can "negotiate" their way to peace with Islamic Fundamentalists, even after being educated to the fact that they wish us annhilated, not negotiated.

[gate2wire]

"pitt can't seem to come to grips..."
Right. I assume he feels guilty or disloyal. So be it.
I hate to sound cold but people die, life goes on.
There are just so many things that sound like negligence
by the deceased, not the 'questioners'.
Once again, it's a shame he didn't make it but he got the best care in the world, didn't he?

[nina0113]

Wonder whatever happened to the cancer vaccine program at Hopkins that flyarm lied to Angelos to get him to pressure Hopkins into admitting Andy to?

[Lx]

While I think the Dummy Funnies in no way contributed to Andy's death, I think we should at least acknowledge the poor guy's untimely death.

From what I read, he had an opportunistic infection that took over. I also read he was allergic to sulfa compounds. I though penicillin was different but I don't know. I also read he had a small stroke before the infection and lost partial vision in one of his eyes. Talk about things going downhill quickly. This is one of those things that really peeves me. They released him pretty damn quick from Johns Hopkins, it's amazing what hospitals do to save money. The things they now do as outpatient surgery are ridiculous.

The where do we go now thing is ummm kind of morbid, he's dead, I don't think he had anything to do with any fraud that might have contributed to his cause. Being a worker for Bev didn't help but I believed Andy way more than I would trust a single word from Bev.

I can't for the life of my understand why it took the Doctors so long to operate. They should have had an idea he might have cancer when they put in the stent. Like I said before, I would choose the hospital with the best % of success. This makes me think the Doctors didn't make it clear of the danger he was in by waiting. Who knows? The poor guy's dead and went quick, didn't he have the stent in February? It's July what's that 6 months? Talk about a quick moving cancer. I know he died from infection but that was quick. From what I've seen and read, that's the way it is with pancreatic cancer. Which is why it makes no sense that the doctors would even let him wait so long.

I don't want to sound holier than though but let his family and friends go through the grieving process.

[gate2wire]

"...let his family and friends go through the grieving process."
I don't take this thread as an attack against anyone, just a response to threats and statements made against certain members of FR.

[gate2wire]

I thought he missed out on the vacine program.
I did wonder though how he got released so quickly and flew home so soon.

[Allosaurs_r_us]

Since we were so active in discussing the Andy situation for more than two months, I think we now need to bring some closure to that discussion and respond to these concerns.

 

I dunno Chas. The hypocrisy shown by folks in the DUmpster had no bounds when it came to this situation. I don't believe we just walk away because of the death of one individual. There are far greater issues here than the death of one individual.

 

They are the one's screaming for mandated social health care. They are the one's screaming for a paper trail for voting, they are the one's wanting to live out of the public trough, saddling the taxpayer with an ever increasing burden. Until that is, it effects them personally. The behavior of the whole lot of them is appalling. Do as I say, not as I do. It just boggles the mind.

 

I don't see how any of this just goes away because Andy had post operative complications. It doesn't sound to me like he died from the cancer. It sounds to me like he died from his life style following a major surgery. He treated the whole thing like he was too busy to sit around and heal. He was posting to the DUmpster from the ICU unit for cryin out loud! Singing show tunes! Burning up the battery on a cell phone, when not a single person I have ever heard of has been allowed, or capable of doing such things.

 

I am truly sorry Andy went before his time, but he and his cohorts have to take some of the blame for his bazaar behavior that surely led to weakening his condition. It could not have been "what the doctor ordered".

[gidget7]

I agree. And while I am sincerely NOT casting blame, but with compassion for all those who chose lifestyles that compromise their health, I truly wish other would learn from this.

Any surgery, ANY, is risky, and recovery depends tremendously on a healthy immune system. Sadly, the lifestyle style many, like Andy himself, choose, compromises their health, seriously compromises their immune systems, opening the door to any infection to enter the body, and thereby hindering recovery. And in this case, as in so many others, compromises their lives. Especially after surgery!!

IMO and in my heart, I feel it is very UN-compassionate, and also very unloving, not to state the truth about unhealthy lifestyle choices. Health issues are no place for political correctness!!

[Lx]

Oh, don't get me wrong, if you listen to Will Pitt, he's going to personally beat up everyone on these threads boy howdy conveniently forgetting that he was the one who raised the red flag. I wish I could find the post where he said he was getting calls or something?

I'm so scared.

[nina0113]

I never heard any more about the vaccine program, but I've been busy lately - was he actually rejected for it, or did it just drop off the radar? It's almost a moot point, except that nobody else is going to be able to get Angelos' help to get into Hopkins ever again; from what I read, he's not a man who enjoys being rolled.

[gate2wire]

"I'm so scared." LOL. I know what you mean. I can't help but laugh sometimes when people talk tough on the telephone or type tough over the internet.

[Charles Henrickson]

I don't see how any of this just goes away because Andy had post operative complications.

I think we ought to respond to the reckless charge that we deliberately caused Andy's death. I believe we can demonstrate that that is patently false--on both levels, i.e., cause and motive.

I also believe we ought to show some human compassion and sympathy when the principal figure in this situation has died.

[gate2wire]

"...going to be able to get Angelos' help..."
Have never met the man, but living in the same city one hears much.
He does appear to have a Napoeonic complex so I'm sure he was pissed. LOL.

[jennyjenny]

Thank you for the ping, Charles. Once it became apparent Andy had taken a turn for the worse, I did follow the threads over at DU, (which I am sure all know since everyone is collecting IP addresses, home addresses, phone numbers, people all do business with, etc.) hoping and praying for the best outcome for Andy. From reading the threads during that time (before Will Pitt's threatening ones), it seemed to me the cause of death was due to an infection. I certainly was surprised and saddened by the final outcome. Regardless of the cause, he was taken way too early and my sincerest condolences to his family and friends. May he rest in peace.

As for Mr. Pitt's threat, I really don't know what to make of it. I certainly understand his grief and anger at losing his friend. Maybe he had a little too much to drink while grieving, or maybe he intended it to be exactly as it reads. I only make the "too much to drink" statement because he said he had opened the bottle, if I remember correctly. I am not accusing him of being an alcoholic or anything, for the record. I don't think I had ever heard of Andy Stephenson until I read the thread here where Will was questioning all of this. The questions seemed legitimate to me. The lengths to which some went to silencing and ostracizing those who questioned seemed odd, to me. At any rate, he put the threat out there, (physical or not) and I suppose one should take them as seriously, or not, as one sees fit to do.

I also took a lot of time reading the Scamdy site this weekend. All I can say is, "WOW".

[gate2wire]

Napoeonic=Napoleonic, sheesh.

[stylin19a]

I wonder if his lifestyle had anything to do with his illness.

[Barset]

ckson; PJ-Comix; franksolich

Amazona on DU called Pitt out for using Andy's death as an opportunity to promote --- Pitt. She told him off for threatening people who had questioned the fundraising. It was a well-reasoned post; other DUers pointed out Pitt's hypocrisy since Pitt had twice questioned the legitimacy of the fund-raiser.

This was posted on Conservative Underground in "Best and Worst of DU" under "Pitt is Pi...ed." Pitt is back on DU today reminiscing about breaking in to his incompetent friends' apartments after they locked themselves out. His "fury" about the "Andy Situation" appears to have subsided since Saturday.

Lots of chit-chat about vengeance. Am not sure they understand that if there is an ongoing investigation to determine if there is evidence of a possible conspiracy to use the internet to defraud, that the death of a possible subject of interest would not close down the investigation.

Outright assertions that the mail-room at Johns Hopkins losing the checks caused JH to delay surgery, was the cause of death.

Other DUers hold the position that paypal might be responsible since they held up funds after a DUer complained to paypal, or Bev Harris worked her black-box magic on paypal.

Suggestions that Andy's estate can sue for "criminal negligence;" others dismiss suggestions. No responses, as yet, from paypal or JH, to what some might consider libel.

Can't remember if it was a DUer or CUer who wondered why there was no obituary for Andy in either of the papers of record in Seattle, nor in the papers in ElPaso, Andy's hometown.

The alternative newspaper for which reporter Howland works, published an article by Howland on Andy's death, in which Pitt was quoted. Howland stated that Andy was survived by his mother, his partner, Ted, his dog, "Ballot," and two sisters. There was no reference as to which sister had "refused to open her checkbook" for Andy, as Andy had stated in one of the begging threads on DU.

A DUer posted a letter she/he had "found in her e-mails" supposedly from Andy asking people to support Velvet Revolution, think it was a fund-raising letter. Seemed to imply it was recent. Other DUers object, implying it was a crass exploitation of Andy's death, and that it was an old letter from March or April.

Lots of fund-raising suggestions, on Kos and DU. Funds for flowers, suggestions for funds to pay funeral expenses; none of these are coming from Andy's family. Fund-raising contemplated to "continue Andy's work."

Memorial service to be held this weekend in Seattle. Not sure if it's a funeral service.

One DUer stated if he/she had a terminal illness, he/she would "take out" a few conservatives. Calls to violence, as the one against franksolich, not in evidence, although Pitt's rant that he has "IPs, names, addresses, etc." might be construed as a threat.

There may be more information on DU and Kos. I limited myself to CU.

85 posted on 07/11/2005 8:30:25 AM PDT by Barset
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[MisterRepublican]

I certainly hope Pitt and his cult followers at DU follow through on their many threats (except the death threats, obviously). Yes, by all means further disgrace the "legacy" of their "friend". As if Ben Burch, Goodboy and the rest of the DU crew hadn't done enough to further sully an already sordid and scandalous online fund-raising scheme, here comes Pitt to throw it all into the sewer yet again. Yes, they certainly do alot to increase the credibility of this sad story. Good job, Pitt.

As far as further discussions of the Andy Stephenson Situation go, I sincerely hope that Pitt and his cronies will file their lawsuits. Yes, let us get this into a court room and get to the bottom of it, by all means.

But be careful Pitt, you have made many grave errors before (remember May 17th?) and be sure of your "facts". I doubt any judge will be as accommodating to your "tin foil" speculations as Skinner apparently is.

[Allosaurs_r_us]

I think we ought to respond to the reckless charge that we deliberately caused Andy's death. I believe we can demonstrate that that is patently false--on both levels, i.e., cause and motive.

 

All these people have to do is lurk around here long enough to read the threads. Every single thread on this site has wished for and prayed for Andy's good health in this. We have never to my knowledge, ever wished him physical harm. We merely questioned the ethics and accountability of the fund raiser.

 

Do you think they will ever admit to that fact. Of course not! So how in the world do we converse with lunatics who refuse to accept the facts? It you want, we could build a database of every single comment that actually wished him well. Every excerpt where folks here at FR prayed for his well being in his time of need. Every statement wishing his family and friends well in their time of sorrow.

 

Ya think it would ever do any good? It would to those willing to listen, but the real hard core Andyites will never listen. They are on this planet to judge the rest of us and will never back down from their false accusations. It is just not in their nature and would not serve their propagandist goals.

 

I welcome their scrutiny. If they can prove we ever meant Andy harm, I challenge them to show it to me. I am certainly unaware of any such intent.