Helium Evidence for A Young World Remains Crystal-Clear

Institute for Creation Research ^ | April 27, 2005 | D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. Institute for Creation Research

[ConservativeMind]

Don't forget the Bat Creek Stone that proves Jesus preached to the American Indians.

It was, it's believed, placed here by mysterious handwalking Christians.

It had to be true, as the Paleo-Hebrew inscription was found to be upside-down for us "leg walkers."

[politicket]

I was referring are those--like myself--who believe in Christ, yet find the literalist arguments simplistic and--in some cases--patently absurd.

Yes, the Bible has some allegory, but then there are those (like you) that want to spread that allegory too far. There a difference between talking parables (wheat and chaff) and declaring that God created the world in six days. Face it, if God is powerful enough to create you out of the dust of the Earth then he is powerful enough to establish creation.

You apologists really surprise me with your lack of scientific understanding sometimes. Do you have any idea how perfectly set in place our entire universe is? That does not happen by an unordered "Big Bang".

[DannyTN]

I thought the dissection of Henke's analysis and motives insightful.

The evolutionist wrote 50 pages of nothing but hot air that didn't amount to a credible critique of the work.

[politicket]

I agree with you. Macroevolution is not a theory, but a hypothesis with more evidence against it than for it.

Amen! But don't shout it too loudly around here. It makes the comfortable begin to squirm. ;-)

[DannyTN]

"Don't forget the Bat Creek Stone that proves Jesus preached to the American Indians."

What the hell are you talking about? What is that some Mormon legend? You are aware that most of Christianity considers Mormonism outside the fold, because they consider scripture flawed and believe in multiple gods.

[Rembrandt_fan]

In thirty or more years, God willing, I'll be in a position to know with absolute certainty the answers to the Big Questions I've tried so hard to ask, much less answer. Equipped with a somewhat 'changed' perspective, I'll probably wonder why some of this stuff had me so worked up.

[politicket]

Don't forget the Bat Creek Stone that proves Jesus preached to the American Indians.

The "Bat Creek Stone" is a joke.

Bracelets found in the same burial mound date to the 18-19th century--meaning that the stone probably didn't find its way into the mound until then (so it could have easily been brought over after Columbus).

More Mormon myths...

[Nathan Zachary]

Science is how we establish proper theories, is it not? The more science we can gather to prove a theory, the stronger it becomes. In Science, a good theory becomes a formula, which we then use to examine other theories.

That's why the evolution theories suck. They lack solid scientific formula's to prove them. As far as theories go, they are way down at the bottom of the scale. Carbon dating for example, is a flawed theory; the formula requires an unproven assumption to make it work. I think we will see it become rejected completely in the near future.

[wallcrawlr]

thanks for the response.

I agree that God uses stories to get points across....but I do not think that Genesis is that. Jesus uses parables, the prophets used metaphors...but I dont think this area of the bible is meant to be allegorical. Parables are quite clear when they are being used.

Because it helps when discussing with Christians to understand where we are coming from...when I say I believe in Jesus, I mean believe that he died for us and that only if we recognize our sin and realize justice is deserved, when we realize that this justice we deserve has been instead taken upon by Jesus and that nothing we do is good enough to get to heaven, when we accept this gift of grace God has given us are we then able to enter heaven.
Only those people that believe that will enter heaven.

Now having said that, I find it odd that you would consider literal belief in the Word of God absurd. Generally, those that "believe in Christ" consider his Word without error.

To me it would seem confusing to pick which sections of the Bible are literal or not.

[Rembrandt_fan]

You wrote, "You apologists really surprise me with your lack of scientific understanding sometimes. Do you have any idea how perfectly set in place our entire universe is? That does not happen by an unordered "Big Bang".

Startling statement about scientific understanding from a proponent of the 'hey presto' theory of universal creation. Listen: God parted the waters for Moses by means of a wind. Look it up. It blew all night. This is the God we're talking about here: the Creator of cause-and-effect. Yours is the God of Cecil B. DeMille. And when you refer to me as an apologist, I construe it as a slur, since I have a pretty good idea of whom you think I'm an apologist for. But no matter. This argument will be settled when both you and I are in the ground. At that point, I doubt either of us will feel much like arguing about it. We'll be occupied with other, more important things.

[politicket]

Science is how we establish proper theories, is it not?

A hypothesis requires three things to become a valid theory (think of it as the three legs of a stool - without one, the stool topples).

1. Observability
2. Repeatability
3. Verifiability

Macro evolution is simply a hypothesis. It fails the test of a theory.

[wallcrawlr]

I see your response in #46.

I too look fwd to the day when many of Gods mysteries will get answered....thats a healthy curiousity. Where I have difficulty with your writing is in the area of your doubting the scriptures, or calling those that take it literally, simplistic and absurd.

[politicket]

Startling statement about scientific understanding from a proponent of the 'hey presto' theory of universal creation

You obviously enjoy limiting the powers of the Creator who created all things. So be it, you are simply arguing against God's established word.

I am calling you an apologist for the simple reason that you want to limit God's capabilities and will turn the scriptures on their ear to do that. I am not referring to you as a non-Christian apologist in any way - so please don't take it that way.

Christian debate is healthy. To throw out the phrase of "We shall see when we're in the ground" is to belittle the merits of the debate.

[Nathan Zachary]

I have much less time than that!
These same questions, doubts etc. have been around since the Church was born, and have been asked and answered debated every generation sinse.
You'd be suprized how well they are answered in the books written by the fathers of the church. One of my favorites are St. Augustine of Hippo. A great mind. You can find alot of his work online here:
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/
There are many others as well.
Enjoy that time you have, you might have enough of it to read all of them, LoL!

[Rembrandt_fan]

Adam, strictly translated, means 'Man', and Eve, 'woman'. It isn't a matter of pick and choose, in my view. It's glaringly obvious. The point of Genesis? We are a fallen people living in a fallen world, with a loving God who wants us whole again, and is willing to sacrifice His own son to make it happen.

I usually steer clear of creationist, end-time arguments with people who believe in such things. No one ever seems to persuade the other, and the result is a lot of hard feelings among those who should be seeking common ground rather than bickering over differences. But sometimes the desire to fight the good fight overwhelms compassion and common sense.

[DannyTN]

"This is the God we're talking about here: the Creator of cause-and-effect. Yours is the God of Cecil B. DeMille."

It's not cause-and-effect that we doubt. It's man's knowledge of the causes available to God. When man applies his limited knowledge and comes to the conclusion that Scripture is wrong. Then man is being arrogant. God has technology we don't know about.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinquishable from magic" - Aurther C. Clark.

[wallcrawlr]

Well, dont fear...I am not one to have "hard feelings" for you. On the contrary, I will say a prayer for you and ask God to continue to help you understand his love for you. In fact I just did.

But sometimes the desire to fight the good fight overwhelms compassion and common sense.

yes it can...or when you realize you are surrounded by fellow Christian brothers its ok to set aside pride for a bit and listen. I need to do it all the time. Good night.

[bondserv]

Folks can believe in Creationism if they like: no harm, no foul, but believing in Creationism is not--at least as I understand faith--a requirement of Christianity, nor are Christians required to reject outright the plausibility of evolution on the basis of someone's literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis.

Did you know Jesus said this:

Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

[politicket]

Goodnight FRiend. It's been a great discussion! No hard feeling here and I pray that there are none on your side as well.