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John Kerry was dishonorably dismissed from the Navy: (statement from lawyers there at the time)
TECHNIGUY.COM ^ | MAY 16, 2005 | DONALD L. NELSON, CAPT, JAGC, USNR (Ret) & Mark F. Sullivan

Posted on 05/19/2005 6:23:52 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: Liberty Valance
I question the timing of this...

Same here.

It's an old political trick to get a drumbeat for scandal going when, in the end, there never was any scandal and the perpetrators knew it all along. The way it could works is like this: Kerry's agent provocateurs begin a campaign to pressure Kerry to release his military records under the premise that those records will show something embarrassing or scandalous. Over the months (or years) the drumbeat grows ever louder, primarily BECAUSE Kerry refuses to release his records, thereby convincing his accusers that they are really onto something.

The drumbeat reaches a crescendo and Kerry finally relents - - he "reluctantly" releases all of his records and, whaddaya know, they show he is clean as a whistle. Kerry looks good and his harassers look like chumps, haters, and fools.

We have seen Kerry try this before. Early in the last campaign there were rumors (no doubt the seeds of which were planted by Kerry operatives) of a Kerry affair with some staffer who was subsequently found to have been spirited off to Africa. (The whole thing was very expertly set up, I must admit.)

Fortunately, the Republicans didn't bite. I hope that this time too, the Republicans (and us freepers) tread carefully before diving in head first.

All that being said, I don't know who Captain Donald L. Nelson is and I certainly do not mean to impugn his motives or his integrity. My gut tells me he may be right about all this, but my brain says "be careful" - - this scumbag Kerry is clearly gunning for '08 and it is never too early to get your name in the news.

Anyways, that's my 2 cents.

61 posted on 05/19/2005 7:16:35 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Calpernia

Kerry, in 1971, Admitted Writing Combat Reports
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
August 26, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's 1971 testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee reveals that the then anti-war activist admitted to writing many of the battle reports during his four months of combat in Vietnam.

Kerry told the committee on April 22, 1971, "...I can recall often sending in the spot reports which we made after each mission..."

Kerry also said that many in the military had "a tendency to report what they want to report and see what they want to see."

Kerry's comments about the battle reports came in response to a question from then Senator Stuart Symington (D- Mo.), who wondered about the accuracy of information from military sources.

According to the testimony , which is available in the Congressional Record, Sen. Symington asked Kerry, "Mr. Kerry, from your experience in Vietnam do you think it is possible for the President or Congress to get accurate and undistorted information through official military channels.[?]"

Kerry responded, "I had direct experience with that. Senator, I had direct experience with that and I can recall often sending in the spot reports which we made after each mission; and including the GDA, gunfire damage assessments, in which we would say, maybe 15 sampans sunk or whatever it was. And I often read about my own missions in the Stars and Stripes and the very mission we had been on had been doubled in figures and tripled in figures.

Kerry later added, "I also think men in the military, sir, as do men in many other things, have a tendency to report what they want to report and see what they want to see."

The 34-year-old testimony could shed light on the present debate over who wrote key battlefield reports that critics of Kerry say allowed him to win awards.

B. G. Burkett, author of the book Stolen Valor and a military researcher, calls the 1971 testimony "significant."

"What is significant about this is [Kerry] is readily admitting that he often submitted reports and he is implying that he himself exaggerated in those reports," Burkett told CNSNews.com.

"We have no way of knowing specifically which documents Kerry composed; and of the the ones he did compose -- did he in fact exaggerate or outright lie in those reports? That is the issue here," Burkett said.

The controversy about who authored the now controversial after-action reports arose earlier this week, when the Washington Post obtained the military records of Larry Thurlow, one of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Thurlow's military records indicated that enemy fire erupted after Kerry's boat was hit by a mine explosion on March 13, 1969.

Thurlow now insists there was no enemy fire that day. The best selling new book by John O'Neill and Jerome Corsi, Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, details the groups' critique of Kerry. Kerry has denounced the book and the Swift Boat vets and accused them of being an affiliate of President Bush's re-election campaign.

Thurlow and Kerry were each awarded a Bronze Star for heroism on that 13th day of March. Kerry also received his third Purple Heart as a result of the events of that day.

At the center of the controversy is whether or not there was enemy fire during Kerry's rescue of James Rassmann from the Bay Hap River. Kerry and Rassmann and others say there was enemy fire, while Thurlow and other swift boat veterans insist there was not.

Thurlow's own Bronze Star citation states that there was "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" directed at "all units." But Thurlow believes his citation was based on Kerry's own account of the day.

"I am convinced that the language used in my citation ... was language taken directly from John Kerry's report," Thurlow said earlier this week. "John Kerry was the only officer who filed a report describing his version of the incident," Thurlow added.

The Washington Post summed up the controversy this way: "Much of the debate over who is telling the truth boils down to whether the two-page after-action report and other Navy records are accurate or whether they have been embellished by Kerry or someone else."

Burkett believes that Kerry stated the controversy surrounding his war record.

"Kerry thought that he could make a grand presentation of his combat record, and there would be no response, obviously, from the Republicans, considering the lack of military experience on that side of the aisle," Burkett said.

"I think [Kerry] completely misjudged the anger of Vietnam Veterans collectively and their ability to organize and have an answer to John Kerry," he added.


62 posted on 05/19/2005 7:17:08 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: CHARLITE

Most of us vets knew that this was true, we just could never prove it. Hanoi John Kerry is a charlatan and a disgrace to this great nation. May he choke on a face full of tobacco juice jike like Hanoi Jane Fonda.


63 posted on 05/19/2005 7:17:14 PM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: Calpernia

John Kerry does not want his service record questioned. This is the reason why.

Subject: Hanoi John's Military Service

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.

Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve -Inactive.

On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a ReadyReservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.

3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.

4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.

5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath . to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy SEALs"


64 posted on 05/19/2005 7:19:27 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
If people are questioning if this is true, why wouldn't some of you, who are really adept at making contacts, simply email these two men and/or telephone them?

Seems to me that this would be the quickest way to get confirmation and also an update.

I just saw that it was originally circulated in their newsletter on Oct. 29, 2004. Talk about timing!

MARK.SULLIVAN@CALAWCOUNSEL.COM

Tel. (818) 889-2299

DLNelsonSF@msn.com
CAPT DONALD L. NELSON
JAGC, USNR (Ret)

65 posted on 05/19/2005 7:22:20 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Not gonna be happy until the Hillster is sent packing, with Billery in tow. on a leash.........)
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To: TFMcGuire

According to the CPO Club at NAS Key West, He was not an O, he was A "zero"


66 posted on 05/19/2005 7:22:30 PM PDT by ThomasPaine2000 (Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
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To: Lancey Howard
This isn't new or news of current release.... The same poster posted it back in Oct 2004. I'm not sure of the motive this time....

KERRY DISCHARGE - THE JIMMY CARTER LEGACY CONTINUES ^
  Posted by CHARLITE
On Bloggers & Personal ^ 10/30/2004 10:38:30 AM CDT · 87 replies · 3,238+ views


MARK.SULLIVAN@CALAWCOUNSEL.COM | OTCOBER 29, 2004 | CAP'T DONALD L. NELSON,JAGC,USNR (Ret)
Subject: KERRY DISCHARGE - THE JIMMY CARTER LEGACY CONTINUES Words of Captain Donald L. Nelson, JAG corps USN ret I was on active duty as a U.S. Navy JAG when all of this was going on 25 to 30 years ago, and so was Mark F. Sullivan, who at all relevant times was the personal JAG to J. William Middendorf, then the Secretary of the Navy. We are trying to break this absolutely true story nationwide, i.e., Fox News, C-Span, and hopefully the major networks. We are positive that John Kerry was one of those dishonorably dismissed from the Navy...

67 posted on 05/19/2005 7:22:50 PM PDT by deport (Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue....)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

You mean to tell me that John Kerry was in Viet Nam?


68 posted on 05/19/2005 7:24:24 PM PDT by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)
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To: CHARLITE

We are positive that John Kerry was one of those dishonorably dismissed from the Navy for collaborating with the Viet Cong after he was released from active duty but still in the Navy and for a totally unauthorized trip to Hanoi.

I never doubted this was the case.

69 posted on 05/19/2005 7:25:00 PM PDT by Truth Table
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To: Cicero
I think this is the same thing as the one that was released last year, but then more or less disappeared into limbo.

And evidence supporting your thought:

"Again, he has not done so, because he well knows that the truth would kill his challenge to President Bush."

70 posted on 05/19/2005 7:25:16 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Calpernia

Senator covered up evidence of P.O.W.'s left behind
When John Kerry's Courage Went M.I.A.
by Sydney H. Schanberg

Senator John Kerry, a decorated battle veteran, was courageous as a navy lieutenant in the Vietnam War. But he was not so courageous more than two decades later, when he covered up voluminous evidence that a significant number of live American prisoners—perhaps hundreds—were never acknowledged or returned after the war-ending treaty was signed in January 1973.

The Massachusetts senator, now seeking the presidency, carried out this subterfuge a little over a decade ago— shredding documents, suppressing testimony, and sanitizing the committee's final report—when he was chairman of the Senate Select Committee on P.O.W./ M.I.A. Affairs.
Over the years, an abundance of evidence had come to light that the North Vietnamese, while returning 591 U.S. prisoners of war after the treaty signing, had held back many others as future bargaining chips for the $4 billion or more in war reparations that the Nixon administration had pledged. Hanoi didn't trust Washington to fulfill its pro-mise without pressure. Similarly, Washington didn't trust Hanoi to return all the prisoners and carry out all the treaty provisions. The mistrust on both sides was merited. Hanoi held back prisoners and the U.S. provided no reconstruction funds.

The stated purpose of the special Senate committee—which convened in mid 1991 and concluded in January 1993—was to investigate the evidence about prisoners who were never returned and find out what happened to the missing men. Committee chair Kerry's larger and different goal, though never stated publicly, emerged over time: He wanted to clear a path to normalization of relations with Hanoi. In any other context, that would have been an honorable goal. But getting at the truth of the unaccounted for P.O.W.'s and M.I.A.'s (Missing In Action) was the main obstacle to normalization—and therefore in conflict with his real intent and plan of action.

Kerry denied back then that he disguised his real goal, contending that he supported normalization only as a way to learn more about the missing men. But almost nothing has emerged about these prisoners since diplomatic and economic relations were restored in 1995, and thus it would appear—as most realists expected—that Kerry's explanation was hollow. He has also denied in the past the allegations of a cover-up, either by the Pentagon or himself. Asked for comment on this article, the Kerry campaign sent a quote from the senator: "In the end, I think what we can take pride in is that we put together the most significant, most thorough, most exhaustive accounting for missing and former P.O.W.'s in the history of human warfare."

What was the body of evidence that prisoners were held back? A short list would include more than 1,600 firsthand sightings of live U.S. prisoners; nearly 14,000 secondhand reports; numerous intercepted Communist radio messages from within Vietnam and Laos about American prisoners being moved by their captors from one site to another; a series of satellite photos that continued into the 1990s showing clear prisoner rescue signals carved into the ground in Laos and Vietnam, all labeled inconclusive by the Pentagon; multiple reports about unacknowledged prisoners from North Vietnamese informants working for U.S. intelligence agencies, all ignored or declared unreliable; persistent complaints by senior U.S. intelligence officials (some of them made publicly) that live-prisoner evidence was being suppressed; and clear proof that the Pentagon and other keepers of the "secret" destroyed a variety of files over the years to keep the P.O.W./M.I.A. families and the public from finding out and possibly setting off a major public outcry.

The resignation of Colonel Millard Peck in 1991, the first year of the Kerry committee's tenure, was one of many vivid landmarks in this saga's history. Peck had been the head of the Pentagon's P.O.W./M.I.A. office for only eight months when he resigned in disgust. In his damning departure statement, he wrote: "The mind-set to 'debunk' is alive and well. It is held at all levels . . . Practically all analysis is directed to finding fault with the source. Rarely has there been any effective, active follow-through on any of the sightings . . . The sad fact is that . . . a cover-up may be in progress. The entire charade does not appear to be an honest effort and may never have been."
Finally, Peck said: "From what I have witnessed, it appears that any soldier left in Vietnam, even inadvertently, was in fact abandoned years ago, and that the farce that is being played is no more than political legerdemain done with 'smoke and mirrors' to stall the issue until it dies a natural death."

What did Kerry do in furtherance of the cover-up? An overview would include the following: He allied himself with those carrying it out by treating the Pentagon and other prisoner debunkers as partners in the investigation instead of the targets they were supposed to be. In short, he did their bidding. When Defense Department officials were coming to testify, Kerry would have his staff director, Frances Zwenig, meet with them to "script" the hearings—as detailed in an internal Zwenig memo leaked by others. Zwenig also advised North Vietnamese officials on how to state their case. Further, Kerry never pushed or put up a fight to get key government documents unclassified; he just rolled over, no matter how obvious it was that the documents contained confirming data about prisoners. Moreover, after promising to turn over all committee records to the National Archives when the panel concluded its work, the senator destroyed crucial intelligence information the staff had gathered—to to keep the documents from becoming public. He refused to subpoena past presidents and other key witnesses.

When revelatory sworn testimony was given to the committee by President Reagan's national security adviser, Richard Allen—about a credible proposal from Hanoi in 1981 to return more than 50 prisoners for a $4 billion ransom—Kerry had that testimony taken in a closed door interview, not a public hearing. But word leaked out and a few weeks later, Allen sent a letter to the committee, not under oath, recanting his testimony, saying his memory had played tricks on him. Kerry never did any probe into Allen's original, detailed account, and instead accepted his recantation as gospel truth.

A Secret Service agent then working at the White House, John Syphrit, told committee staffers he had overheard part of a conversation about the Hanoi proposal for ransom. He said he was willing to testify but feared reprisal from his Treasury Department superiors and would need to be subpoenaed so that his appearance could not be regarded as voluntary. Kerry refused to subpoena him. Syphrit told me that four men were involved in that conversation—Reagan, Allen, Vice President George H.W. Bush, and CIA director William Casey. I wrote the story for Newsday.

The final Kerry report brushed off the entire episode like unsightly dust. It said: "The committee found no credible evidence of any such [ransom] offer being made."

A newcomer to this subject matter might reasonably ask why there was no great public outrage, no sustained headlines, no national demand for investigations, no penalties imposed on those who had hidden, and were still hiding, the truth. The simple, overarching explanation was that most Americans wanted to put Vietnam behind them as fast as possible. They wanted to forget this failed war, not deal with its truths or consequences. The press suffered from the same ostrich syndrome; no major media organization ever carried out an in-depth investigation by a reporting team into the prisoner issue. When prisoner stories did get into the press, they would have a one-day life span, never to be followed up on. When three secretaries of defense from the Vietnam era—James Schlesinger, Melvin Laird, and Elliot Richardson—testified before the Kerry committee, under oath, that intelligence they received at the time convinced them that numbers of unacknowledged prisoners were being held by the Communists, the story was reported by the press just that once and then dropped. The New York Times put the story on page one but never pursued it further to explore the obvious ramifications.

At that public hearing on September 21, 1992, toward the end of Schlesinger's testimony, the former defense secretary, who earlier had been CIA chief, was asked a simple question: "In your view, did we leave men behind?"

He replied: "I think that as of now, I can come to no other conclusion."

He was asked to explain why Nixon would have accepted leaving men behind. He said: "One must assume that we had concluded that the bargaining position of the United States . . . was quite weak. We were anxious to get our troops out and we were not going to roil the waters . . . "
Another example of a story not pursued occurred at the Paris peace talks. The North Vietnamese failed to provide a list of the prisoners until the treaty was signed. Afterward, when they turned over the list, U.S. intelligence officials were taken aback by how many believed prisoners were not included. The Vietnamese were returning only nine men from Laos. American records showed that more than 300 were probably being held. A story about this stunning gap, by New York Times Pentagon reporter John W. Finney, appeared on the paper's front page on February 2, 1973. The story said: "Officials emphasized that the United States would be seeking clarification . . . " No meaningful explanation was ever provided by the Vietnamese or by the Laotian Communist guerrillas, the Pathet Lao, who were satellites of Hanoi.
As a bombshell story for the media, particularly the Washington press corps, it was there for the taking. But there were no takers.

I was drawn to the P.O.W. issue because of my reporting years for The New York Times during the Vietnam War, where I came to believe that our soldiers were being misled and disserved by our government. After the war, military people who knew me and others who knew my work brought me information about live sightings of P.O.W.'s still in captivity and other evidence about their existence. When the Kerry committee was announced (I was by then a columnist at Newsday), I thought the senator—having himself become disillusioned about the Vietnam War, and eventually an advocate against it—might really be committed to digging out the truth. This was wishful thinking.

In the committee's early days, Kerry had given encouraging indications of being a committed investigator. He said he had "leads" to the existence of P.O.W.'s still in captivity. He said the number of these likely survivors was more than 100 and that this was the minimum. But in a very short time, he stopped saying such things and morphed his role into one of full alliance with the executive branch, the Pentagon, and other Washington hierarchies, joining their long-running effort to obscure and deny that a significant number of live American prisoners had not been returned. As many as 700 withheld P.O.W.'s were cited in credible intelligence documents, including a speech by a senior North Vietnamese general that was discovered in Soviet archives by an American scholar.

Here are details of a few of the specific steps Kerry took to hide evidence about these P.O.W.'s.

He gave orders to his committee staff to shred crucial intelligence documents. The shredding stopped only when some intelligence staffers staged a protest. Some wrote internal memos calling for a criminal investigation. One such memo—from John F. McCreary, a lawyer and staff intelligence analyst—reported that the committee's chief counsel, J. William Codinha, a longtime Kerry friend, "ridiculed the staff members" and said, "Who's the injured party?" When staffers cited "the 2,494 families of the unaccounted-for U.S. servicemen, among others," the McCreary memo continued, Codinha said: "Who's going to tell them? It's classified."

Kerry defended the shredding by saying the documents weren't originals, only copies—but the staff's fear was that with the destruction of the copies, the information would never get into the public domain, which it didn't. Kerry had promised the staff that all documents acquired and prepared by the committee would be turned over to the National Archives at the committee's expiration. This didn't happen. Both the staff and independent researchers reported that many critical documents were withheld.

Another protest memo from the staff reported: "An internal Department of Defense Memorandum identifies Frances Zwenig [Kerry's staff director] as the conduit to the Department of Defense for the acquisition of sensitive and restricted information from this Committee . . . lines of investigation have been seriously compromised by leaks" to the Pentagon and "other agencies of the executive branch." It also said the Zwenig leaks were "endangering the lives and livelihood of two witnesses."

A number of staffers became increasingly upset about Kerry's close relationship with the Department of Defense, which was supposed to be under examination. (Dick Cheney was then defense secretary.) It had become clear that Kerry, Zwenig, and others close to the chairman, such as Senator John McCain of Arizona, a dominant committee member, had gotten cozy with the officials and agencies supposedly being probed for obscuring P.O.W. information over the years. Committee hearings, for example, were being orchestrated to suit the examinees, who were receiving lists of potential questions in advance. Another internal memo from the period, by a staffer who requested anonymity, said: "Speaking for the other investigators, I can say we are sick and tired of this investigation being controlled by those we are supposedly investigating."

The Kerry investigative technique was equally soft in many other critical ways. He rejected all suggestions that the committee require former presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and George H.W. Bush to testify. All were in the Oval Office during the Vietnam era and its aftermath. They had information critical to the committee, for each president was carefully and regularly briefed by his national security adviser and others about P.O.W. developments. It was a huge issue at that time.

Kerry also refused to subpoena the Nixon office tapes (yes, the Watergate tapes) from the early months of 1973 when the P.O.W.'s were an intense subject because of the peace talks and the prisoner return that followed. (Nixon had rejected committee requests to provide the tapes voluntarily.) Information had seeped out for years that during the Paris talks and afterward, Nixon had been briefed in detail by then national security advisor Brent Scowcroft and others about the existence of P.O.W.'s whom Hanoi was not admitting to. Nixon, distracted by Watergate, apparently decided it was crucial to get out of the Vietnam mess immediately, even if it cost those lives. Maybe he thought there would be other chances down the road to bring these men back. So he approved the peace treaty and on March 29, 1973, the day the last of the 591 acknowledged prisoners were released in Hanoi, Nixon announced on national television: "All of our American P.O.W.'s are on their way home."

The Kerry committee's final report, issued in January 1993, delivered the ultimate insult to history. The 1,223-page document said there was "no compelling evidence that proves" there is anyone still in captivity. As for the primary investigative question —what happened to the men left behind in 1973—the report conceded only that there is "evidence . . . that indicates the possibility of survival, at least for a small number" of prisoners 31 years ago, after Hanoi released the 591 P.O.W.'s it had admitted to.
With these word games, the committee report buried the issue—and the men.

The huge document contained no findings about what happened to the supposedly "small number." If they were no longer alive, then how did they die? Were they executed when ransom offers were rejected by Washington?

Kerry now slides past all the radio messages, satellite photos, live sightings, and boxes of intelligence documents—all the evidence. In his comments for this piece, this candidate for the presidency said: "No nation has gone to the lengths that we did to account for their dead. None—ever in history."

Of the so-called "possibility" of a "small number" of men left behind, the committee report went on to say that if this did happen, the men were not "knowingly abandoned," just "shunted aside." How do you put that on a gravestone?
In the end, the fact that Senator Kerry covered up crucial evidence as committee chairman didn't seem to bother too many Massachusetts voters when he came up for re-election—or the recent voters in primary states. So I wouldn't predict it will be much of an issue in the presidential election come November. It seems there is no constituency in America for missing Vietnam P.O.W.'s except for their families and some veterans of that war.

A year after he issued the committee report, on the night of January 26, 1994, Kerry was on the Senate floor pushing through a resolution calling on President Clinton to lift the 19-year-old trade embargo against Vietnam. In the debate, Kerry belittled the opposition, saying that those who still believed in abandoned P.O.W.'s were perpetrating a hoax. "This process," he declaimed, "has been led by a certain number of charlatans and exploiters, and we should not allow fiction to cloud what we are trying to do here."
Kerry's resolution passed, by a vote of 62 to 38. Sadly for him, the passage of ten thousand resolutions cannot make up for wants in a man's character.


71 posted on 05/19/2005 7:26:04 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: CHARLITE
Wondering if Harry "Searchlight" Reid...has viewed Johnny Ketchup's F.B.I. file? As he seems to be able to view just about anybodies.....

The Dems....are and remain the CORRUPT Party.

72 posted on 05/19/2005 7:27:03 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Don't steal, the government hates competition)
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To: ThomasPaine2000

That better be the concensus of every Chief's club in the military!


73 posted on 05/19/2005 7:27:36 PM PDT by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)
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To: CHARLITE

Oh How I wish this could be proved. Ya'll have all missed the obvious. If true he has committed a FEDERAL FELONY by being in Possession of a FIREARM numerious times. Even on the campaign trail. 10 years MANDATORY for each offence. Wonder if the BATFE knows about the great before dawn, no knock SWAT raid they are missing. Oh for him to be trapped by the same draconian laws he has written would be pure JUSTICE. He has no 2nd amendment rights if dishonorably discharged.


74 posted on 05/19/2005 7:29:39 PM PDT by therut
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To: DennisR
Better yet, fax it to his DC office: (202) 224-8525. Wouldn't it be great if a couple times a day a form 180 popped into his office? Imagine the fun of calling and asking if they received your fax?
75 posted on 05/19/2005 7:29:43 PM PDT by kitchen (Over gunned? Hell, that's better than the alternative!)
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To: Delta 21
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76 posted on 05/19/2005 7:30:11 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (H.R. 698 - go drop anchor somewhere else)
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To: CHARLITE
Kerry is darn lucky he didn't get fragged for good...while he was there.

Personally I think some of his "hearts" were either self-inflicted, or "warning" fraggs...

FRegards,

77 posted on 05/19/2005 7:31:03 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Don't steal, the government hates competition)
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To: CHARLITE

Busted in a Saigon whorehouse with the Commie pal ping ....


78 posted on 05/19/2005 7:31:45 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: SteveMcKing
Do you think Kerry is releasing false versions of his dismissal, so that people become skeptical of ANY story about him - both true and untrue?

Yes.

79 posted on 05/19/2005 7:32:02 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Calpernia

'Follow the Microfiche'

by Sydney H. Schanberg

In addition to a four-part series on the search for a captured pilot (which ran August 1-4, 1993), Schanberg published dozens of articles for Newsday on the M.I.A./P.O.W. issue.
If you're game for the library research involved, there's a forgotten history waiting to be rediscovered. Here's a starter list:

October 27, 1987 - "Will the Vietnam Body Count Ever Add Up?"

December 10, 1991 - "From the Soviets, Information on MIAs"

July 7, 1992 - "Disclosures Point to an MIA Cover-Up"

July 14, 1992 - "The Democrats Are Ducking Vietnam, Too"

July 24, 1992 - "On MIAs, the Press Was Lazy or Cowed"

August 21, 1992 - "More Bush Deviousness on POWs/MIAs"

September 18, 1992 - "The POWs: 'Buried' by the U.S. in ‘73"

September 25, 1992 - "The Nixon Presidency: Unraveling, Again"

September 29, 1992 - "Let’s Follow the Trail Of The Missing Men"

October 9, 1992 - "Bit by Bit, the POW/MIA Facts Emerge"

October 20, 1992 - "No More Cover-Ups Now on POW/MIAs"

October 30, 1992 - "An Honest Man Says POWs Live in Laos"

November 10, 1992 - "Fearing a New Cover-Up on POW/MIAs"

November 20, 1992 - "The Sad Scripted Ending to Our POWs’ Story"

November 24, 1992 - "Why the Rush to Close the POW Issue?"

December 18, 1992 - "The Odd, Pat Story of Col. Pham Duc Dai"

December 22, 1992 - "Why No Outrage at Nixon’s Stonewalling?"

January 7, 1993 - "It’s Operation Censor in Draft POW Report"

January 8, 1993 - "The Footnote Kissinger Wants Expunged"

January 15, 1993 - "Report Spins the Facts into Mush"

April 13, 1993 - "It’s Time to End POW Cover-Up"

August 27, 1993 - "What is the POW Probe Hiding From Us?"

September 3, 1993 - "First Get the Truth, Then Forgive"

September 10, 1993 - "Spy Papers Back MIA Cover-Up Accounts "

October 26, 1993 - "Senator Shuns the Evidence on Four MIAs"

November 5, 1993 - "POW Searchers Risk a Deal with Clinton"

November 16, 1993 - "The MIA Story: It’s Got to Be Kept Alive"

December 10, 1993 - "Washington Plays Softball With Hanoi"

January 4, 1994 - "Making 'Negatives' in the POW/MIA Case"

January 7, 1994 - "The Photo: Shadow or MIA Signal"

January 12, 1994 - "A New MIA Tale of Disappearing Images"

January 14, 1994 - "Laos May Hold the Key to Missing MIAs"

January 28, 1994 - "A Loss for Honesty on the Senate Floor"

February 1, 1994 - "POW/MIA facts: Just Too Troublesome"

August 5, 1994 - "A Pentagon Stonewall on Field Reports"

June 16, 1995 - "Facing Up to the Dirty Secret of Vietnam"


80 posted on 05/19/2005 7:35:14 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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