Posted on 05/19/2005 6:23:52 PM PDT by CHARLITE
Where was this story last October?
So should Kerry know the difference between a ribbon and a medal.
Bump!
ping
This story can't be true. Can John Kerry be that much of a moron to run for president after being dishonorably discharged?
Heh... true enough.
I question the timing of this...
How 'bout a bit more , tell me you were there or something ...
Interesting choice of words. Interesting because of what is not said. Something along the lines of being an eyewitness at least would have been something new... or how about having copies of documents. Was (Is) this guy even a lawyer?
I wish this could be proven, but I don't think this guy sounds very believable.
"But this guy should know that it is called a "Discharge" not a "dismissal". That's troubling."
This guy is a former Navy lawyer. I'm betting he's right on the terminology. I've heard this before. The gist of it is that enlisted are dishonorably discharged. Officers are dismissed. Same effect.
SCPO, USN, Ret.
In a word, Yes.
You forget, laws don't apply to high level DemonKats. Laws are for Republicans and the little people ...
Could you use your ping lists for this?
I believe you're correct Senior Chief.
What I don't get is how could the lid be kept on this through all the election meatgrinders he's been through?
Okay - action requested. Print the DD 180 (link follows), and send it to Kerry at 304 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510.
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/standard_form_180.pdf
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
August 28, 2004, 12:10 a.m.
Purple Heart News
Statement of RADM William L. Schachte, Jr. USN (Ret.)
August 27, 2004
As was true of all "Swiftees," I volunteered to serve in Vietnam and was assigned to Coastal Division 14 for a normal tour of duty.
I was a Lieutenant serving as Operations Officer and second in command at Coastal Division 14 when Lieutenant (junior grade) John Kerry reported to us in mid-November, 1968. Lt. (jg) Kerry was an Officer-in-Charge (O-in-C) under training in preparing to be assigned as one of our Swift Boat O-in-C's.
At some point following President Johnson's announcement of the suspension of bombing in North Vietnam in March 1968, we were directed to become more aggressive in seeking to find and destroy or disrupt the enemy in our operating area. As part of this effort, I conceived a new operation that became known as "Skimmer OPS." The concept was simple. A 15-foot Boston Whaler was sent into an area where, based on coordinated intelligence, North Vietnamese cadre and Viet Cong were expected to be meeting or where, for example, concentrations of enemy forces might be involved in the movement of arms or munitions. We were to draw fire and quickly get out of the area. This would allow more concentrated firepower to be brought against the enemy forces we had been able to identify.
These operations were carried out only in "hot" areas and well away from any villages or populated areas. A Swift Boat would tow the skimmer to the general area of operations, and the ambush team would then board the skimmer and proceed to the designated area of operations. The Swift Boat would be riding shotgun and standing off, occasionally out of sight, to provide fire support and long-range communications. The Skimmer was powered by an outboard motor, and we carried an FM radio, handheld flares, an M-60 machine gun with a bipod mount, and an M-16 mounted with a starlight scope. If the night was heavily overcast, we brought an M-14 mounted with an infrared scope. We also carried an M-79 single-shot grenade launcher. In addition to our combat gear and flak jackets, we often carried .38-caliber pistols.
The operation consisted of allowing the skimmer to drift silently along shorelines or riverbanks to look or listen for sounds of enemy activity. If activity was identified, we would open fire with our automatic weapons, and if we received fire, we would depart the area as quickly as possible, leaving it to air support or mortar fire from a Swift Boat standing off at a distance to carry out an attack.
I commanded each of these Skimmer operations up to and including the one on the night in question involving Lt. (jg) Kerry. On each of these operations, I was in the skimmer manning the M-60 machine gun. I took with me one other officer and an enlisted man to operate the outboard motor. I wanted another officer because officers, when not on patrol, were briefed daily on the latest intelligence concerning our sector of operations and were therefore more familiar with the current intelligence. Additionally, at these daily briefings, officers debriefed on their patrol areas after returning to port.
On the night of December 2-3, we conducted one of these operations, and Lt. (jg) Kerry accompanied me. Our call sign for that operation was "Batman." I have no independent recollection of the identity of the enlisted man, who was operating the outboard motor. Sometime during the early morning hours, I thought I detected some movement inland. At the time we were so close to land that we could hear water lapping on the shoreline. I fired a hand-held flare, and upon it bursting and illuminating the surrounding area, I thought I saw movement. I immediately opened fire with my M-60. It jammed after a brief burst. Lt. (jg) Kerry also opened fire with his M-16 on automatic, firing in the direction of my tracers. His weapon also jammed. As I was trying to clear my weapon, I heard the distinctive sound of the M-79 being fired and turned to see Lt. (jg) Kerry holding the M-79 from which he had just launched a round. We received no return fire of any kind nor were there any muzzle flashes from the beach. I directed the outboard motor operator to clear the area.
Upon returning to base, I informed my commanding officer, Lt. Cmdr. Grant Hibbard, of the events, informing him of the details of the operation and that we had received no enemy fire. I did not file an "after action" report, as one was only required when there was hostile fire. Soon thereafter, Lt. (jg) Kerry requested that he be put in for a Purple Heart as a result of a small piece of shrapnel removed from his arm that he attributed to the just-completed mission. I advised Lt. Cmdr. Hibbard that I could not support the request because there was no hostile fire. The shrapnel must have been a fragment from the M-79 that struck Lt. (jg) Kerry, because he had fired the M-79 too close to our boat. Lt. Cmdr. Hibbard denied Lt. (jg) Kerry's request. Lt. (jg) Kerry detached our division a few days later to be reassigned to another division. I departed Vietnam approximately three weeks later, and Lt. Cmdr. Hibbard followed shortly thereafter. It was not until years later that I was surprised to learn that Lt. (jg) Kerry had been awarded a Purple Heart for this night.
I did not see Lt. (jg) Kerry in person again for almost 20 years. Sometime in 1988, while I was on Capitol Hill, I ran into him in the basement of the Russell Senate Office Building. I was at that time a Rear Admiral and in uniform. He was about 20 paces away, waiting to catch the underground subway. In a fairly loud voice I called out to him, "Hey, John." He turned, looked at me, came over and said, "Batman!" We exchanged pleasantries for a few minutes, agreed to have lunch sometime in the future, and parted ways. We have not been together since that day.
In March of this year, I was contacted by one of my former swift boat colleagues concerning Douglas Brinkley¹s book about Senator Kerry, "Tour of Duty." I told him that I had not read it. He faxed me a copy of the pages relating to the action on the night of December 2-3, 1968. I was astonished by Senator Kerry¹s rendition of the facts of that night. Notably, Lt. (jg) Kerry had himself in charge of the operation, and I was not mentioned at all. He also claimed that he was wounded by hostile fire.
None of this is accurate. I know, because I was not only in the boat, but I was in command of the mission. He was never more than several feet away from me at anytime during the operation that night. It is inconceivable that any commanding officer would put an officer in training, who had been in country only a couple of weeks, in charge of such an ambush operation. Had there been enemy action that night, there would have been an after action report filed, which I would have been responsible for filing.
I have avoided talking to media about this issue for months. But, because of the recent media attention, I felt I had to step up to recount my personal experiences concerning this incident.
The letter posted on that website isn't dated. I think this is the same thing as the one that was released last year, but then more or less disappeared into limbo.
There is considerable circumstantial evidence that Kerry received a dishonorable discharge.
First, he did indeed consort with the North Vietnamese enemy in Paris while he was still in the navy, which amounts to treason.
Second, he got an honorable discharge from Jimmy Carter many years later, at the time when Jimmuh gave his blanket amnesty to all the draft dodgers and AWOLs.
Third, he has refused to release his discharge papers, which strongly suggests that he has something incriminating to hide.
He never could have run for president with this kind of stain on his record if not for the pimps in the press. The same pimps that gave bill clinton a free pass to rape and murder and never asked clinton for his medical records or academic records.
Uphold the US Constituion!
Too bad the "Move On" FReepers just don't understand
the real threat that the likes of Hanoi Kerry pose to our country.
I just don't understand their reasoning in saying
"drop it", "your wasting your time", "give it up" etc.
Some even howl when I remind them the job is NOT done.
Kerry Outs Undercover Intelligence Agent in Bolton Hearing
C-SPAN 04/11/2005
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1381586/posts
"Kerry cites voter intimidation examples
CNN ^ | 4-10-05
BOSTON, Massachusetts (AP)
Many voters in last year's presidential election were denied access to the polls
through trickery and intimidation, former Democratic presidential candidate
John Kerry told a voters' group Sunday."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1381116/posts
Kerry E-Mail Concerning Judicial Nominees
April 1, 2005
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1375683/posts
Hanoi Kerry Veterans Group Calls on Congress
to Impeach George W. Bush and Richard Cheney
April 3, 2005
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1376873/posts
Well I have news for them.
I've been posting threads
on the Viet Nam anti war "crowd"
almost from day one on FR.
Wicked Witch of the West: Hanoi Jane Exposed in New Book
Hanoijane.net ^ | HENRY MARK HOLZER and ERIKA HOLZER,PhilDragoo
Posted on 10/30/2001 10:05:08 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/560260/posts
So why do they think I'll stop now?
Don't be like the Silent Majority in the 60's and 70's
Demand Kerry be ousted from the US Senate!
There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate
He is there illegally!
WAKEUP AMERICA!
For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.
Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen
Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html
And the FBI has proof of his treason.
Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files
May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.
(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)
http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html
a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS
Contact the GOP controlled US Senate!
Distribute these url's!
Links to Anti Kerry sites
212 LINKS
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page
http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html
EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!
MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!
http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html
Full details on these url's!
http://stophanoikerry.150m.com
There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.
http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html
Did you see this...?
(The 'Kerry's Promise Counter')
http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=6628
Polipundit even tells you how to install it on your own page!
Do you think Kerry is releasing false versions of his dismissal, so that people become skeptical of ANY story about him - both true and untrue?
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