Posted on 05/10/2005 7:48:49 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
If there is one person who is considered a Boogyman by the denizens of the nether regions of Dummieland, it is none other than Karl Rove. Until now they have assigned Rove mystical powers of political manipulation and intrigue. In moments of honesty, they even wish they had such a political genius on their side. Therefore, I found it strange to see this DUmmie THREAD titled, “Karl Rove has failed the Republican Party.” Uh, yeah sure. And we could use a few more of such Karl Rove “failures.” Therefore let us view this new amusing DUmmie proposition blared out in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, wishing that I had a Karl Rove on my team to propose my DUmmie FUnnies book (with CD-ROM insert for related comix stories) deal to Mary Matalin, is in the [brackets]:
Karl Rove has failed the Republican Party.
[Delusional statement of the year but continue with the laughs, DUmmie writer…]
Here's a man who relies on the quick fix for a quick victory, yet fails to plan long-term. Actually, the way he maneuvers elections resembles someone who cares very little for the RNC and more for his personal scoreboard. He's like shopping at Target: a shiny vase for your mantle that looks nice for a few months, yet cracks not too soon later. He barks loudly, but this dog has been castrated. Weak. Only a few bites to his record. His personal attacks speak of his shallow ego.
[Only a few “bites” like electoral victories in 2000, 2002, and 2004. But continue with your standup routine, DUmmie writer…]
This man is merely a political misfit. Callow. Yellow. He barely won two national elections. At this point he is no threat to anyone but himself. Let the fool fall on his own sword.
[2004 election was not a barely won election but I bet you DUmmies are desperate for ANY kind of win such as the stolen gubernatorial win in Washington state. Anyway, if Karl Rove is no threat to you guys, I guess you can just relax and rest upon your electoral laurels…uh, I mean weeds.]
that's 2 more than us...he is still a threat
[And DUmmie Harpo wins a Kewpie doll for having a brief moment of mental clarity!]
The guy barely won.
His wins were more happenstance than victories. There was no real "electioneering" here. Just gay sex and the ghost of 9/11. The man can't win fairly because the man doesn't have the right picnic equipment to do so. His mind is as emasculate as the rest of him. We will win in 2006, because just as Bush is fading, Karl is fading. His days will soon be over.
[Thanx, DUmmie writer for your excellent attempt at lulling the DUmmies into a state of false confidence. We will remember you when Road Runner Rove once again goes “BEEP! BEEP!” while leaving the DUmmie Coyote in the dust.]
I would disagree again...you only have to barely win, the edge is who...has a great closing game as in chess. Some people are great openers, some are great middle game people, and some are great closers! I think Rove has 2 of the 3 mastered at this point.
[And Rove is great at doing a #3.]
No. It means that Karl Rove has dumped the pieces off the chessboard because he can't win fairly. He never has won fairly. He doesn't know how to win fairly. He is weak, and quite frankly, I'm not all that impressed with his tiny little "victories." They have no longevity beyond 2004. The man is a gelding.
[Keep pushing that theme DUmmie writer. It is all part of Karl Rove’s Master Plan.]
that dog still has balls and he's going to be using them well into 2008. Rove is one of the best and most dangerous political minds of this generation. he's not someone to be taken lightly
[No. No. Listen to DUmmie writer. You have nothing to worry about from Karl Rove. The next election will be so easy for you that you can sleepwalk to victory.]
The dog only bites balls because he doesn't have the brains to win fairly. Before Bush, what were Karl's successes? None. This weak politician barely won two elections for Bush. He's nothing. In 10 years, he will be a nobody. And that's how we should view him.
[“Has-Been” Rove is so ineffective that he is only picking your next nominee in ‘08---Hillary.]
He barely won two national elections......stole both
[ALL your Diebolds belong to Rove!]
They weren't exactly overwhelming victories, were they? Bush slipped from 80% approval ratings to just below 50% before his so-called "reelection." That's Karl's handiwork. Had he played his cards straight, Bush would have maintained better standings and a more assured victory. His near wins are signs of weak strategy. Karl spends his time chasing his own tail. Don't believe the hype.
[Okay DUmmie writer. I just have to ask this: Are you a LOUSY FREEPER TROLL???]
Underestimating Rove is Like Underestimating Ghengis Khan. Rove is tough, he practices politics like the USC Trojans run their ground game -- tough, fast, strong, and right into the opposition's teeth. Rove's strategy of running right at the opposing candidate's strength is "smash mouth" -- ideal for college football metaphors. It takes nerve, toughness, balls and time in the weight room. The old college football saw: "Passing teams compete for bowl games. Running teams compete for the National Championship." Rove's got two National Championships now. He'll be back with a new team next time, and he ain't changing his playbook.
[Correction: Underestimating Rove is like underestimating Chimpus Khan.]
Rove's Championships are built on a house of cards. 9/11 and gay sex. And neither championship was decisive. He is a weak political player who is fading into obscurity along with Bush. This castrated dog is all bark.
[Listen to DUmmie writer. Remember, you folks have Mary Beth Cahill on your team. You can’t go wrong with her. Oh, and don’t forget about Bob Shrum. The guy is UNBEATABLE!]
Karl Rove's electioneering has no longevity. He's fading away faster than Bush can say "Karlyouhavenoballs." A couple of near wins based on 9/11 and gay sex is weak, ephemeral strategy.
[Great lullaby tune there DUmmie writer:
Go to sleep.
Go to sleep, little DUmmies.
Have no fears.
Baddie Karl is not near.]
By the way, occasionally we see a gifted roll-out passer from the Southeast Conference, like Jim Carville. Where is he now, when we need him most?
[Hopefully Carville is whispering into his wife’s ear that the DUmmie FUnnies book (with CD-ROM insert for related comix stories) would be a HUGE bestseller.]
Karl Rove is not successful. Karl Rove wouldn't be successful without 9/11. And even with that event, he barely won reelection for Bush. That's sad and pathetic.
[I bet Kerry wishes to hell that he barely won.]
Bill Clinton never could have won in 2004. Never. But... he just might win again in 2008.
[They can add a new constitutional amendment in that brief time?]
You Mean Hillary? I love her too, but I don't think she'll ever be president.
[Which Karl Rove well knows which is why he will be making Hillary your ’08 nominee.]
Might be Hillary, might be someone else...But only these dark times have permitted Karl any sense of "victory." Otherwise, he's meaningless. WE WILL WIN AGAIN!
[No “might” about it. Your nominee, chosen by Karl Rove, WILL be Hillary which is why YOU WON’T WIN AGAIN!]
The man he works for has had two of the most ideologically successful presidencies since Kennedy, or even FDR. To use a corporate simile, he has successfully marketed the Republican brand, including spokesman George W. Bush, to the American people, et al.
[LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!!!]
Eventually, we know both Rove and the RW will overplay their hands. But what a DISGUSTING FASCIST DARK ERA until the pendulum swings back!
[There is NO escape from the Perfect Rovian Storm!]
He is enemy #1. He is the one who plans on being around for the next 20 years. If he can convince us to ignore him..then 'his guy' can get election (by a squeak) again. They will just replace George with jeb or with McCain or Arnold. Bush is a lame duck. Rove is not. We should keep Rove front and centre. Rove is dangerous. He got a shallow, prissy, dyslexic, businessly incapable of success, asshole elected president once. And he got this same lame-ass the presidency the first time by judicial activism. If he did it once, he can do it again. He is the master - architect. Remember how everyone had to bow down to him after the last election?
[BOW before the might of our Dark Lord Rove!]
Don’t underestimate the Drunken Monkey. Bush is the drunken monkey, and Rove’s guidance over the years is largely responsible for that. You laugh at his stumbling swipes until he starts to strike you and break your bones. The biggest mistake one can make is underestimating this political machine. Appearance aside they are smarter than you are, more dedicated, more resourceful and better connected. They have every advantage. And you forget that Rove’s history is much longer than the last two elections. Politics is not a vacuum, and Texas politics is a real contact sport. Do you think for a moment if Rove was such a lightweight he would have been able to get Bush the governorship from the popular Ann Richards? Even considering the last two elections, you are leaving out some of Rove’s sharpest skills. Think about the brutal primary fight with John McCain. Or the Swift boat attack ads of the previous election. Rove goes after an opponent’s strength, not weakness. This is disorienting even to skilled politicians (it totally immobilized the Kerry campaign for a time) and he makes his opponents afraid to differentiate themselves or bring party stars forward. It actually stunts the growth of democratic opposition. This is why, with rare exceptions, Democrats seem shrunken in stature to Republicans in the passion of their stance on issues or ideology in many elections. The point you are missing is that sometimes, simple and brutal works fine. He’s capable of more, of course, as his political career has shown over the years, but he’s got no problem with using the right tool for the job even if it’s a club with a nail in it. Sizing up the current political landscape, it seems he was right.
[The Drunken Monkey and our Dark Lord Rove thank you for that moving tribute. Don’t forget to stand in awe of the Mighty Rove’s powers in ’08 when he chooses YOUR nominee---Hillary.]
Rove is pathetic, in my opinion. Either we decide that he's a genius and weaken at the knees at his alleged "gift," or we see him for what he is - a small man on stilts.
[Believe in the latter…at your own risk.]
Will Pitt:
Damn
Edited on Tue May-10-05 12:24 PM by WilliamPitt
OK, for those who care to know:
a) I just walked into this mess a few minutes ago. What I am hearing is that there was a snafu with the hospital payment that is hopefully being worked out.
b) I have known Andy personally for years, been in his house, done speaking gigs with him, met his boyfriend, dined with him, drank with him. If this is a 'scam,' as has been alleged, it is the most masterful Keyser Soze-esqe one I have ever heard of. Apply Occam's Razor.
c) About two dozen DUers would also have to have been in on it, myself included, including those who have been with Andy these last several days, those negotiating with the hospital, and those dealing with PayPal. Again, the Razor.
Andy, if you have scammed us, I am on the first plane to Seattle to make goddam sure you *will* need to see a doctor.
Skinner, can you PM me when you get the chance?
And the DUmmies were STILL trying to rationalize it. "That's not Andy's doctor." "They can't tell you anything because of privacy laws." And the vitriol they spat at Johns Hopkins because of the highly improbable checks-are-lost-in-the-mailroom canard...
I tell you, these DUmmies have NO "smell test" gene whatsoever. The whole Undie's-dying-of-cancer-unless-you-send-some-$$$-thru-PayPal scheme is such an OBVIOUS scam to anyone with half a brain...
Oh, well, that explains it.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A GOOD E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR BEV HARRIS?
I would like to get her comments, if she has any.
LOL!!! How DO these people function in reality??? Talk about your self-indulging fantasies...
Methinks Andy's gonna get some jailtime for this. $50k of fraud's gonna get him what, 1-3 years?
"Hello, Karl? Yeah, it's me, Andy. Yes, And-- yes, Andy Stephenson. Right. 'Doughboy.' Yes. Well, I just wanted to give you an update on Scamgate. It's going really well. I milked the DUpes for $50,000 and now I'm pretending that the hospital lost the money. And they're actually DEFENDING me over there! I mean, after the Bev Harris scam, I thought they'd learned their lesson, but they're just as gullible as ever! I mean it's-- What? You have a call on the other line? From Hillary? OK, I'll let you go Karl, I just wante-- Hello? Hello? Master Karl? Hello?"
This is just too funny. Reminds of when little boys hold a magnifying glass between the sun and ants and they fry. I really hope the DUmmy did scam the rest of them and he gets away with it. Could provide much humor for weeks to come.
Try this one, I don't know if it's still good:
Bevharriscontact@aol.com
Frank - Please keep me informed on the "As John Hopkins Turns" soap opera. This is just too rich. I'm thinking about running a "fuzzy puppy scam" on the DU myself (seems to be pretty easy). Just think - These morons want to run the country!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3630503
Skinner's latest update.. Wow.
Here's something for the DUmmies to read and see how well their money MAY be spent:
Results of extensive surgery for pancreatic carcinoma.
Nagakawa T, Nagamori M, Futakami F, Tsukioka Y, Kayahara M, Ohta T, Ueno K, Miyazaki I
Second Department of Surgery, School of Medicine, Kanazawa University, Japan.
BACKGROUND: Since 1973, 210 patients with pancreatic carcinoma have undergone surgery in our clinic, including 144 with carcinoma of the head of the pancreas. Of these 144 patients, macroscopic curative resections were performed on 53 (36.8%). Five patients (9.4%) died within 30 postoperative days, and an additional 3 (5.7%) died within 60 days. The overall median survival was 13 months. Eight of the patients who underwent macroscopic curative resection survived 5 years, giving a 5-year survival rate of 27.4% using the Kaplan-Meier method. The 5-year survival rate was 39.7% after a microscopically curative resection and 0% after a microscopically noncurative resection. METHODS: Outcome was compared based on the extent of pancreatic cancer by constructing survival curves according to the general rules published by the Japan Pancreas Society. RESULTS: There was no statistically significant difference in survival based on tumor size or stage. However, there was a significant difference in the survival of patients with the absence (so) or presence (se) of invasion to the anterior capsule of the pancreas, the absence (rpo) or presence (rpe) of invasion of the retroperitoneal tissue, the absence (ew0) or presence (ew2) of invasion at the surgical margin of resection, and the extent (n0 to n2) of lymph node metastasis. CONCLUSIONS: The results of this study suggest that extended radical pancreatectomy may be indicated for patients with pancreatic carcinoma because standard dissection may fail when the tumor has spread to the retroperitoneum or extrapancreatic nerve plexus.
Excerpts:
Skinner says:
Allow me to be clear: I have my own opinion about whether this is legit or a hoax, but it is only that: an opinion. I do not know the truth.
A group of people just raised a huge amount of money -- twice as much money in two weekends than DU itself raises during any of its week-long quarterly fund-drives. And they didn't even have to provide any proof whatsoever. (Again, let me repeat: This is not a statement on the legitimacy of Andy Stephenson's situation. I'm just trying to be honest about the issues involved.)
When the goal for the fund drive suddenly changed from $25,000 to $50,000, we started to get concerned. Last week I called Johns Hopkins Hospital to try to verify that Andy Stephenson is actually getting surgery. Every person I talked to gave me the same answer: Federal privacy laws forbid them from disclosing the names of patients. I want to be clear: My actions are not a reflection on Andy or any other members of this website. I was hoping to quietly verify Andy's story myself, and nobody would be the wiser.
Snip
Yesterday, as part of my search, I was directed to an individual at Johns Hopkins with the job title of "patient representative". We have been playing phone tag since then, so we haven't talked yet. Given the previous responses, I am pretty doubtful that she can help us out.
Snip
Andy Stephenson and I need to talk this out on the telephone. He needs to somehow release Johns Hopkins Hospital from their privacy restrictions so they can talk to me directly and verify that the surgery is taking place, and verify that it does cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $50,000.
Looks like Skinner is doing a CYA. It's not his fault if this is a scam according to him. I love to watch them scurrying around.
If he wrote this to reassure anyone, he failed. It only serves to generate more questions. Wonder if he'll allow any comments.
Gee, frank, this is the second time in the last few days this has happened. Maybe God is trying to tell you something. ;-)
If Andy is indeed a patient, I don't understand why finding him is so difficult. My aunt was in the hospital last week, and all I did was call "patient information" and ask to be connected to her room. They immediately connected me, without claiming that federal privacy prevented them from doing so.
I don't know whether to laugh or not, but looking over their board, I've been saying for awhile, its a pretty ripe market for a con.
I thought though they'd be scammed over politics (i.e. a book showing the software used to run dibold or some secret bush conspiracy book).
I acknowledged that they are mentally ill, but I guess somone looked them over, saw green in their eyes and found an easy way to make a whole lotta bucks.
In a way I do feel a little sorry for them, not because of their politics, but because people like them, are going to be marks for the rest of their lives and untill they get help, will have problems functioning in society.
Lala throws in the towel! Invokes "Bev" conspiracy accusation! Apparently Skins deleted her exculpatory post.
lala_rawraw Donating member (1000+ posts)
Tue May-10-05 01:46 PM
Response to Original message
40. You would know the truth if someone would not have deleted the post i just wrote after spending a good 45 min. on the phone with JH and that office...
I quit... this is unacceptable, frankly. i know you are stressed, but i gave you facts... why would you delete them???????
you will believe rumors over Andy? well, why don't you humiliate him further and call him... I can give you the number and ask him for permission to call the hospital yourself... i had that lovely task of having to tell him why i needed to speak to the hospital...and you deleted that information?
you people, yes all of you, should be in arms that there is doubt, but even if there is doubt, i gave you facts and those facts were deleted... guess Bev did a good job.
i quit and I hope you guys can get yourselves together enough to issue a public apology to andy...
Why doesn't DUmmy Andy just get on a computer, where he is supposedly staying with some of his DUmmy friends in Baltimore, and speak out. He could calm all the Dummy's fears and make them all feel bad at the same time. Personally, I hope it is a scam, they deserve it.
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