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Schiavo Dies 13 Days After Feeding Tube Removed - THE BUSH'S DIDN'T MURDER HER
Reuters ^ | 3/31/05

Posted on 03/31/2005 7:22:52 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. (Reuters) - Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman at the heart of a wrenching dispute over her fate that drew in the Congress and President Bush, died on Thursday, a spokesman for the parents said.

"She's just died," said Brother Paul O'Donnell, a Franciscan monk and spiritual adviser to the parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, who fought a seven-year legal battle to keep their daughter alive.

Schiavo, 41, died 13 days after her tube feeding was halted under order from a state court.

She had been in what courts ruled was a "persistent vegetative state" since her heart briefly stopped in 1990, depriving her brain of oxygen. Courts had long sided with her husband and legal guardian, Michael Schiavo, in ruling she would not have wanted to live like this and should be allowed to die.

But the Schindlers fought in courts to prolong their daughter's life and won support from an array of conservative Christians and right-to-life and anti-abortion activists.

The Republican-controlled Congress rushed through a special law after Schiavo's feeding was halted on March 18 to allow the parents to take their case from state courts into federal courts.

But the effort, which opinion polls showed was unpopular with most Americans, failed when federal judges refused the parents' request to order feeding resumed. The latest rebuff, from the U.S. Supreme Court, came late on Wednesday night.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: constitution; godblessherfamily; michaelkilledterri
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To: PatriotGirl827; Servant of the 9

Well, let's ask him then. So9, did you "support the murder of Terri Schiavo"? Is that an accurate portrayal of your position on this issue?


41 posted on 03/31/2005 7:52:59 AM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: PatriotGirl827

I see...you must believe that compassion has no place in the affairs of mankind...


42 posted on 03/31/2005 7:55:35 AM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: reformjoy
The POWER IS ours, but we have to use it.

Please. Jeb Bush had to decide to do the right thing or the politically correct thing.

And what about the point Mel Gibson made? When they wanted to get rid of Judge Moore it was a breeze but not this guy in Florida?

Your reply to me is in my opinion simply wrong headed. I should not have had to go to Florida. The people that were there should not have had to go there. It should have been an automatic and natural thing for everyone to recoil from this situation and save this woman.

Jeb Bush had the juice to do something. You can argue the nuances of the law but this woman was being murdered. And it was his duty as gov to do something about it. If Rosa Parks had thought like Jeb Bush she'd have stayed in the back of the bus.

By the way, I raised as much hell as I could from where I am. If I would have been gov of Florida I would not have cared what some judge said. That woman would have been fed. It's just common decency.

43 posted on 03/31/2005 8:00:32 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Here come da king, er, judge!)
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To: reformjoy
No, I didn't get on a plane and fly to DeeCee or Florida. But I mailed many many emails and I faxed many many memos. I did all I could do. And I prayed every day, every morning and all day my thoughts were prayers for Terri.

Bears repeating: Michael's current 'honey' needs to be aware that since Terri can no longer be the person he controls, she's next in line. His type of personality must have a perceived weaker person to dominate. Won't be long now. SHE may be able to shed light on this dark episode in lawless-jurisprudence when he starts abusing her AND her children.

44 posted on 03/31/2005 8:00:42 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (God have mercy on America. God have mercy on us all.)
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To: sinkspur
>>Thousands of times a week, all over the country, the same >>decision is agreed to by all involved, and tubes are >>removed.

You make my point. But this case was unique in many ways. Most feeding tubes removed are for terminal patients. Don't confuse yourself and others and rationalize what was done here. We all saw what it was. You can't confuse the issue like a child would, by saying "But Johnny did it too." We are on a slippery slope. In Cruzan the supreme court allowed the respirator off on "Clear and Convincing", and now we have taken away food and water. We sent clear messages to the entire world and to heaven and hell, by reviewing the case over and over. We have no excuse. WE STARVED AN OTHERWISE VIABLE LIFE TO DEATH. We did it with guns and forced HER parents to stand by and watch. Michael Schiavo didn't act in a vacuum. We all share the guilt. We all have allowed our system to slip into this mutation of justice. Don't think that the innocent blood of these children and helpless adults doesn't rise up to God. If we don't look at ourselves and make corrections, it will soon overwhelm us. We need to learn that there are greater things in this world then ourselves and our precious comfort. We need to learn anew to set aside convenience and do what is right and just, not just for those who have voices, but for those who don't. I believe in good and evil. In a dark side that thrives and feeds on the death of innocents. A dark side which protects with great fervor it's diet of human sacrifice. A dark side which finds itself well feed by the actions of my nation, and well served by its self proclaimed Judicial system.
45 posted on 03/31/2005 8:01:22 AM PST by Schwarzeneger
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To: Schwarzeneger
You - 1. What a crock of crap! Someone has just died. Put to death by your precious twisted view of the Constitution. You sicken me. You strain out a knat to be sure your precious rules are followed, and then swallow a camel by killing a young woman. It's sickening.

You - 2. You gotta wonder who in the hell is interpreting our Constitution. Its NOT the Constitution of our fathers, and the change has come from these whack job Judges, who have sacraficed justice to the God of this world. Our system is in crisis. Changes need to be made.


POST 1 - Courts are deciding elections, abortion, illegal immigration entitlements, education funding, terrorist rights, the juvenile death penalty, to ignore Congress... We are a representative republic, people who want change vote for it, otherwise we work within the boundaries of our Constitution. The Bush's would be out of order in superseding the court just as it was in ignoring Congress.

What the other constitutional and/or state statutes did the Bush's have available to them? If none existed, why would they have been any better than the activist judge... had they superseded their authority?

46 posted on 03/31/2005 8:01:31 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: Schwarzeneger
We all share the guilt.

I can't discuss anything with an irrational man.

47 posted on 03/31/2005 8:04:26 AM PST by sinkspur (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: Bigfitz

If the "law" violates the Constitution they not only have the right but the responsibility to protect.

It is a dark day in America. And I assure you that darker days are coming as a result of this travesty of justice.

Gov. Bush has a duty to uphold the Constitution. I am of the opinion that the Gov. has no integrity or courage. He has certainly lost my respect. In the end, for Gov. Bush, politic's rather than our Constitution played a key roll in his decision to ignore the sanctity of Terri's life, and thus failed to protect her. He may have made an effort, but in the end Gov. Bush withheld his executive power to ultimately intervene at the most critical time in Terri's life.

Legalized murder of the unborn.

Any word of Lord and His Ten Commandments removed from our school's and public property.

Judges ordering the murder of innocent American's.


I pray that the Lord withhold his judgement on us and continue to show His mercy. This country surely deserves to be sentenced.

Also, my prayers go out to Mr/Mrs. Schindler and their loved ones.


48 posted on 03/31/2005 8:06:52 AM PST by This Just In ((In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king))
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To: reformjoy

Terri's husband and the men in black robes killed her. The Bush's did not do anything wrong.


49 posted on 03/31/2005 8:08:02 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: sinkspur

Its our system. We've been warned all these years that somethig like this was going to happen. Warned by those dangerous priests and nuns standing outside the abortion clinics. Those radical whacky religious folks who warned us that the way we were allowing the courts to twist our Constitution would result in something like this or worse. We all just relaxed in our comfortable chairs, and changed the channel. We all share the guilt.

The Bush brothers are decent men. But they could have acted. The Judges could have too. We have allowed life to be determined on techicalities. There was more than enough cover for Executives to act, based on the Laws we have. Judges could have easily challenged the Clear and Convincing standard and interpretation. They didn't have the fortitude, or enough care to do it.


50 posted on 03/31/2005 8:13:37 AM PST by Schwarzeneger
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To: This Just In
I believe that there is gonna be a big investigation into the corruption running rampant in Florida. This county is a cesspool of corruption. With millions of dollars being made in the death business, I suppose it was inevitable that this would happen.
51 posted on 03/31/2005 8:14:25 AM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: All

Regardless of what side you're on, this is a sad day.

I'm not going to throw dirt on anyone today...all I have to say is:

Mrs. Schiavo, may you find peace, love, freedom, happiness and light. And may all who loved her find comfort.



52 posted on 03/31/2005 8:18:03 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: harpo11
I agree except that I don't think that we needed to spit on the rule of law to save Terri. We needed to confront an out of control judiciary and be willing to take on a hostile media in the process. That Judge Greer issued a decree in a probate proceeding did not legally prevent the DCF from acting on a new matter, or the federal marshalls from acting to protect a federal witness.

When confronted with a similar situation, President Clinton went to a friendly judge, got a warrant, and went into a private residence to snatch a child, all to curry favor with Fidel Castro, his boyhood idol. Clinton had a fawning press, so he got away with it. But it was technically legal. Bush could have done the same thing, and the only difference would have been that he would have had a scathingly hostile press. So what's new?

53 posted on 03/31/2005 8:18:05 AM PST by Defiant (Amend the Constitution to nullify all decisions not founded on original intent.)
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To: Edgerunner

Well, if there is an investigation let us hope that it is not performed by those same individuals that allowed and/or sentenced Terri to die.

I will not go so far as to say that our country is a cesspool of corruption. Especially when you consider other countries such as Africa, India, and the like.

Your statement is true. It was inevitable. I hope that American's will not sit idly by and allow this to continue.


54 posted on 03/31/2005 8:24:53 AM PST by This Just In ((In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king))
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To: This Just In

MyBad...country=county


55 posted on 03/31/2005 8:32:14 AM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: sinkspur
Thousands of times a week, all over the country, the same decision is agreed to by all involved, and tubes are removed.

So there are thousands of cases like Terri's? A woman who was placed in hospice even though she wasnt terminal? A woman who's only deviances from normal are brain damage and an inibility to swallow?

For all anyone knows, Terri had minimal thougths but the thoughts made her life more enjoyable than any of us knew. Yet we convict her to slow and painful death via malnutrition.

Let me say this again... We made a woman who was mentally disabled, had problems swallowing and wasn't able to communicate die a slow, agonizing death by refusing to administer food. A woman who needed no assistance in breathing or to keep her heart pumping, and we refused to allow her the basics of life which is small doses of food.

Even if you agreed with the rulings the method of which she was convicted to die was cruel and inhumane to any rational person.

56 posted on 03/31/2005 8:35:44 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

May her soul rest in peace.

May Michael Schiavo never have a single moment of peace.


57 posted on 03/31/2005 8:41:43 AM PST by msnimje
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To: Edgerunner

What are you talking about?


58 posted on 03/31/2005 8:53:19 AM PST by PatriotGirl827 (Member of the Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: PatriotGirl827

I know you have a well developed mind, but you seem to be lacking a well developed heart. Both are necessary to be human. Your post was very mean spirited, thats what I mean!


59 posted on 03/31/2005 9:00:25 AM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: Edgerunner

Please read things more carefully before you say such things. If you will track back, you will see that those were not my words.

I was responding to a challenge by a poster named general-ge to show any FReeper who was supporting Terri's murder, and I copied that post from another FReeper named Servant of the 9.

I think it's terrible what happened to Terri and her family.


60 posted on 03/31/2005 9:08:06 AM PST by PatriotGirl827 (Member of the Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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