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David Banach indicted under USA PATRTIOT ACT
Global News Matrix ^ | March 24, 2005 | MatrixMetaphore

Posted on 03/24/2005 8:08:38 AM PST by MatrixMetaphore

March 24, 2005 -- A New Jersey man accused of pointing a laser at an airplane, temporarily blinding the pilot and co-pilot, was indicted yesterday under an anti-terror law.

David Banach also was accused of lying to the FBI about the Dec. 29 incident, in which a small passenger jet's windshield and cabin were hit three times by a green laser as the plane readied to land at Teterboro Airport.

The charges in the three-count federal indictment were similar to those filed against Banach in a complaint by the FBI in January. The indictment, handed up by a grand jury in Newark, replaces the FBI complaint.

Banach's lawyer, Gina Mendola-Longarzo, said her client was using the laser to look at stars with his daughter when the plane was hit by the beam.

"I think it's an absolute abuse of prosecutorial discretion to charge my client under the Patriot Act for non-purposeful conduct," Mendola-Longarzo said.

"We take the alleged actions of Mr. Banach very seriously, and we will not condone lying to federal agents," U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie said.

A cluster of reports of lasers striking airplanes received wide attention between Christmas and New Year's Day, and prompted Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta to make changes in how pilots report lasers being beamed at airplanes. He also warned that federal officials will aggressively prosecute those caught shining the bright beams into cockpits.

Banach, 38, of Parsippany, remains free on bond pending arraignment, which has not yet been scheduled, his lawyer said.

He faces up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine on one count of interference with pilots of an aircraft "with reckless disregard for the safety of human life," a provision of the Patriot Act passed following 9/11.


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Apparently I am expected to spell everything out. He was looking at the stars with his daughter one night before New Years. When she went in he moved the laser to a Charter Cessna, not thinking he could actually hit it with the laser. Green lasers are made for outlining star clusters, this is one of their purposes.

When the FBI showed up he said it was his daughter. He did not see it as a huge offense, and figured nothing would happen. He was interrogated at the FBIHQ w/o an attorney and confessed it was him.

He could be charged under Title 18 for interfering with the operator of an aircraft, and providing false statements to the FBI. Rather, they are charging him under the Patriot Act, which he does not meet all of the requirements of.
41 posted on 03/24/2005 8:27:02 AM PST by MatrixMetaphore
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To: MatrixMetaphore

Surely this schmuck can be charged with something else?

You know, reckless endangerment, contributory negligence...something other than the Patriot Act. Yes?


42 posted on 03/24/2005 8:27:19 AM PST by RexBeach (If Bill Clinton is in a room alone, is anyone really there?)
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Yeah the patriot act will only be used against terrorist to keep americans safer.Like how they prosucuted paypal.com for allowing net gambling payments and how they charged that new york gangbanger under the patriot act and nowthis guy. and this is under republicans just wait until the dims win the white house you havent even begun to see abuse of power yet.This is all just a warm up

43 posted on 03/24/2005 8:27:40 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: Pylot
Well here is the first example of the prosecution of a citizen under a law created and allegedly reserved for terrorists.

Not true. The PATRIOT Act has been used against many people not considered "terrorists" - from breaking up a prostitution ring to people involved in child porn. Such info is easily available on the USDOJ website.

And the Act itself clearly spells out that many of the provisions (if not most) are for criminal laws as well as terrorism.

44 posted on 03/24/2005 8:28:19 AM PST by gdani
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To: MatrixMetaphore
Green lasers are powerful enough to outline constellations. In fact, it's one of the reasons they are produced.

Should I be laughing with you or at you?

45 posted on 03/24/2005 8:29:04 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: dsc

You can keep your mouth shut, refuse to speak, remain silent.

Lying is not part of the privilege.


46 posted on 03/24/2005 8:29:21 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: RexBeach

Yes. I've found several other charges under Title 18 of the USC, and FAA regulations, for which he could be charged. This is an overreach.


47 posted on 03/24/2005 8:29:42 AM PST by MatrixMetaphore
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To: Ditto

If there was intent. It's not certain there was.


48 posted on 03/24/2005 8:36:33 AM PST by MatrixMetaphore
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To: GSlob
BTW, how on earth could one use a laser to look at the stars?
 
This one is different than what you're probably thinking of.  Rather than just appearing at the end, when it contacts a wall or something, the entire pathway of the laser is iluminated (think light saber rather than laser pointer). 
 
I was pretty impressed when I saw it and even considered getting one, but I just knew I couldn't trust myself not to wave it at planes.

Owl_Eagle

49 posted on 03/24/2005 8:37:15 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: sunnysky
Ok, say this poor misunderstood fellow was out in his backyard picking out constellations with his green laser. When Federal agents knocked on his door and said "Sir we've had reports of a laser emanating from your backyard which caused distress to local pilots. Do you know anything about it?", why wouldn't the perfectly innocent and misunderstood fellow say "Oh $^&*(&^! I totally did not realize that would happen I am so sorry, What can I do?"

He screwed himself by lying. I have NO sympathy.
50 posted on 03/24/2005 8:44:05 AM PST by brothers4thID (I have knocked on door of this man's soul- and found someone home.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

If you have enough particulates in air to make the beam visible over long distance, then there wouldn't be many stars one could see through such an air. Only the brightest ones would get through, and these are pointable without any laser.


51 posted on 03/24/2005 8:45:51 AM PST by GSlob
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To: brothers4thID

Yes, he lied. Yes, what he did was stupid. I think he should be punished as well. But don't you think the PA is an overkill?


52 posted on 03/24/2005 8:47:38 AM PST by MatrixMetaphore
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53 posted on 03/24/2005 8:51:58 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MatrixMetaphore

And what does it say about perjury, obstruction of justice, and three counts of that same act?


54 posted on 03/24/2005 8:54:29 AM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: MatrixMetaphore

No. He endangered the lives of the pilots, tied up federal resources that could have been investigating more serious terrorist offenses, and lied to Federal authorities. But, then, I've actually read the Patriot Act for myself, instead of relying on misinformed sensationalist propaganda to form my opinions.


55 posted on 03/24/2005 8:54:40 AM PST by brothers4thID (I have knocked on door of this man's soul- and found someone home.)
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To: MacDorcha

Those have a max sentence of 5 years. Charge him with that too.


56 posted on 03/24/2005 8:59:03 AM PST by MatrixMetaphore
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To: brothers4thID
I've read the Patriot Act as well. He fits SOME of the requirements in my opinion. I don't think his mental state put him in the "reckless" category. I think it's reasonable to wonder if he actually thought he'd hit the plane.

Title 18 deals specifically with interfering with the operator of an aircraft, which is what he did. Patriot has different language, and if you know anything about the law, language is everything.
57 posted on 03/24/2005 9:00:40 AM PST by MatrixMetaphore
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To: MatrixMetaphore

So in his state, he can get 5 years for lying. 5 for obstruction, and 5 for each count of interferring with a pilot?

Then the federal aspect of it.

Sounds to me like the guy got off easy from a plea-bargain.


58 posted on 03/24/2005 9:02:00 AM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: MacDorcha

Actually, if I remember correctly, it's 5 total for his statements to the FBI. Interferring with the operation of a plane was a hefty fine.


59 posted on 03/24/2005 9:06:28 AM PST by MatrixMetaphore
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To: Ditto
I would consider putting an airplane in danger of crashing to be terrorism.

I wouldn't in this case, because intent matters and there's no evidence he was trying to make the plane crash. Consider two drivers who hit pedestrians with their cars; the first was distracted and not paying attention to the road, while the second deliberately ran the guy down. We rightfully punish the second driver more severely.

60 posted on 03/24/2005 9:12:38 AM PST by ThinkDifferent (These pretzels are making me thirsty)
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