Posted on 03/23/2005 5:49:34 AM PST by xzins
It is evident that attending nurses have affidavits affirming that Terri Schiavo was able only a few short years ago to ingest food and water orally.
This is also evidenced by the "guardian's" insistence on police overlooking her room to prevent her parents from doing just that....a secret drink, an ice chip, etc.
The judge's order is that the tube not be reinserted.
There is no moral order able to be given that she not have the CHANCE to eat and drink in a manner normal for babies and others who might find themselves in a dependent status.
Everyone in "right to die" land is saying "Let her go NATURALLY."
OK....if that is accepted, then it is only fair, judicious, humane, and NATURAL to have a good faith attempt by totally uninvolved, neutral caregivers to give her food and water orally.
Change strategy -- demand the natural feeding of Terri Schiavo if there is no hope of a feeding tube being inserted! Demand Federal intervention to require this reasonable and NATURAL act!
Let's put the lie to supposedly humane cries for a "Natural" death for Terri Schiavo.
Finally, to give her water would be the side that is affirmed by Jesus Christ Himself: "Mr 9:41 - And whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because of My name, since you belong to the Messiah-- I assure you: He will never lose his reward. "
No need to apologize. I really wish there was something else we could do. I guess this is in God's hands. I pray she is comfortable.
I'm glad you have faith in the Schindlers' motives. Faith is a fine quality to have.
However, in this business I'm in, I've often found that people are not what they seem.
And I hope everyone is aware that in many civil and criminal lawsuits, information is often not made public. Usually this is due to some legal rangling along the way. One or both parties may have moved the Court to keep certain information away from the public eye -- keep it under seal or whatever. Some of the information (or lack thereof) may be due to deficiencies in media reporting. For example, there were a couple of reports and at least one interview of the hospice nurse who was fired after she alleged Mr. Schiavo may have injected his wife with something, possibly insulin. Most of the reports I saw mentioned her allegations, but only one of the reports stated there was a police investigation which concluded nothing criminal had happened. That part was left out of a number of reports on that topic.
Those of us who are not close to the situation may never know the true story or the whole story.
That was then. This is now:
ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that Respondents' Emergency Expedited Motion for Permission to Provide Theresa Schiavo with Food and Water by Natural Means is DENIED.
DONE AND ORDERED in Clearwater, Pinellas County, Florida, this 8 day of March, 2005. GEORGE W. GREER CIRCUIT JUDGE
See post 84. Now does that change your mind?
BTW the wording of my #11 is kind of confusing so I see why you thought I was only praying. I was trying to say that I will continue to pray but I didn't know anything else I could do that I hadn't already done.
AMEN!
You signed up today to give us your views? Why?
Are you aware that MS's mother worked for the Pinellas County sheriff's dept., and that MS himsef works for them now? It smells of conflict of interest, and probably corruption.
Was it the Pinellas County Sheriff's Department who performed the investigation or another police authority?
History will play this another way like the German holocaust, but we aren't there yet, and there may not be much time to accumulate more history.
I guess we just have to take it like Jesus did when he was cornered, outfoxed. He refused to play the one card he had left. He could have saved himself. His followers refused to play the one card they had left. They could have attacked the executioners.
Neither of those cards were played, so I guess that's our example, although I won't tell you what I think I might have done in Nazi Germany if I had the means.
But the reason I am so confident that there is no such order is that Judge Greer has been scrupulous about his judicial role. Those who don't like the result he reached could argue that is because he doesn't want to be overturned on appeal for overreaching (no trial court judge does). Be that as it may, I am virtually certain that your search for an order "...prohibit[ing] anyone from attempting to feed this woman or give her water by any means including through the mouth" will be fruitless.
First the statute doesn't authorize such an order. Second, the original decision currently being reviewed in the federal system doesn't do that. Why would this smart judge risk overturning all his work of 7 years on such an order? Answer: He didn't make such an order.
Now, we have a jury instruction out here in Kookifornia to the effect that "all things known to human experience are subject to some possible doubt" so I will let you and the others here have the opportunity to prove me wrong. Go for it.
She is trapped in a locked room without anyone being allowed to feed her so much as a drop of water. If anyone did this to an animal, they would go to prison for years. Greer's refusal to allow natural means of hydration is the moral equivalent of ordering her to be EXECUTED.
Hello! Is anyone home?
Yes violence is all that is left. I have too many other people in my life who rely on me to go to jail. I'll keep praying.
"Therefore it is… ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that absent a stay from the appellate courts, the guardian, MICHAEL SCHIAVO, shall cause the removal of nutrition and hydration from the ward, THERESA SCHIAVO, at 1:00 p.m. on Friday, March 18, 2005."
No, please...no violence. This whole situation is bad enough. Violence will make it worse. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I tried to block and copy from the link, but Adobe won't allow me.
Please understand, the denial of a motion (particularly for reasons of duplication as here) is NOT the granting of an affirmative order. Lawyers can be slippery and clever. Here, the parents' lawyers already had one motion pending (apparently for an experimental procedure of some type) and decided to repackage the same declarations and arguments into another motion and name it (appealingly, of course) "respondent’s emergency expedited motion for permission to provide Theresa Schiavo with food and water by natural means". Now, lawyers can name their motions whatever they want. [One of the little bits of latitude allowed us.] But doesn't mean that if the judge denies my craftily named motion, that he has somehow granted the obverse.]
Secondly, if you read the order, you will see that he did not deny the motion on the merits but on grounds that it was duplicative of the then-pending motion and subsumed therein.
Keep looking. I still don't think the judge ever ordered food and water withheld.
Wake up winston. This is an execution.
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