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Credit cards banned for buying online smokes
March 18, 2005 | JusticeTalion

Posted on 03/18/2005 8:37:43 AM PST by JusticeTalion

If you buy smokes online you may just be screwed. All major credit card companies in the United States have voluntarilly agreed to ban all internet transactions concerning cigarettes regardless of the customer. And they kept it extremely quiet until today.

I found exactly two articles on it and both were regional papers requiring subscription. The move is ostensibly shaded with the "Let's keep tobacco out of kid's hands" malarkey but the real reason is stated later. States are tired of losing tax revenue to out-of-state buyers so they completely banned all cigarette purchases.

What does this mean? I am writing to my credit card companies to find out. What if I want to buy a humidor for my Uncle's pipe collection. What about cigars, snuff and chewing tobacco? Are these banned too?

How this got arranged with not one peep about it in the news is amazing. No protests, no dissension, not one word from anyone. I am not real thrilled by being banned from buying a legal product with a recognized legal tender in the United States. And this is not just a business move. It has the full backing of state officials and the federal government in the form of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. That makes it something that our representatives can fight against.

Fascism, in any form, SUCKS!


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To: JusticeTalion
What about PayPal. I can deposit money into PayPal from any source I wish. Then send it to anyone else with a PayPal account. How they going to stop that?

Further, how is the credit card company going to know that it's for smokes if the company name doesn't say "tobacco" of "cigarettes" or some such thing?

This just doesn't sound right to me.

I'm not finding anything on Google.

21 posted on 03/18/2005 8:52:25 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: JusticeTalion

Is this an official government declaration of war on Native American businesses?


22 posted on 03/18/2005 8:53:27 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schiavo)
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To: wmichgrad

PayPal has the MasterCard logo on it's bankcard.

Has would this affect that type of purchase?

MasterCard is one of the companies that is banning the sales.


23 posted on 03/18/2005 8:53:43 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: JusticeTalion

I see a business opportunity.


24 posted on 03/18/2005 8:53:44 AM PST by joshhiggins (I can make up statistics as well as the next guy.)
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To: JusticeTalion

why is this NOT a violation of the Interstate Commerce Clause of the 10th ammendment? Almost anything else can be!!


25 posted on 03/18/2005 8:53:49 AM PST by mo
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To: Flyer

I guess so.


26 posted on 03/18/2005 8:54:52 AM PST by Gabz (Wanna join my tag team?)
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To: Calpernia
This wouldn't even be necessary if Gubmint would stop taxing the crap out of cigarettes.
27 posted on 03/18/2005 8:55:25 AM PST by Flyer (* https://dahtcom.nameservices.net *)
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To: wmichgrad

If I were an online cig store owner, I would change the name of my store to "No Cigs For Sale Here!" or some such name. Much the same way that certain gentlemen's entertainers use fictitious names to fool expense report monitors.


28 posted on 03/18/2005 8:55:41 AM PST by CSM
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To: mo

They are using the 1954 Jenkins Act which only covers tobacco (or cigarettes) sales across state lines.


29 posted on 03/18/2005 8:56:29 AM PST by Gabz (Wanna join my tag team?)
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To: Calpernia
Thanks for the article.

Color me skeptical. I just don't see how it can be enforced.

30 posted on 03/18/2005 8:56:40 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Beelzebubba; Jotmo
It is a fact and I heard about it here on FR a couple of weeks ago. Sure enough, I immediately went to the site I usually use and the notice was there. I bought some and supplied a bank account number. I received the goods and was charged correctly but I really don't like this method of business - No real recourse if something goes wrong. Try this link:

http://buydiscountcigarettes.com/advanced/default.asp

31 posted on 03/18/2005 8:57:40 AM PST by drt1
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To: Flyer

So...maybe I should live my life as a NJ Politician.

I'll rip out my vegetables and plant tobacco. Learn to roll my own.

THEN apply for some farm grants and live of the gov teet.

After all, many of our politicians collect farm grants and they don't have legitmate working farms.....

Live corrupt! That is the answer.


32 posted on 03/18/2005 8:59:15 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Jotmo
Does PayPal sell stock?

If so, you'd better get some NOW.

33 posted on 03/18/2005 8:59:20 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: JusticeTalion
I posted this earlier (by two hours :-) )

Here
34 posted on 03/18/2005 9:00:33 AM PST by cgbg (Fire the Trustees of the Social Security Trust Fund with no money in it!)
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To: JusticeTalion
There are a number of alternate e-money services trying to gain a foothold, and haven't gotten very far. Sounds like this is an amazing opportunity for them. E-Gold comes to mind.
35 posted on 03/18/2005 9:01:32 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: JusticeTalion

Hmmm. I havent heard this, but I'll assume it's true. Wonder if it has anything to do with the bill in congress to get credit cards protected from bankruptcy laws. Quid pro quo?


36 posted on 03/18/2005 9:05:18 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: wmichgrad
Sounds like more revenue for 2nd party payment companies like Paypal.

You are correct. This credit card collusion will be circumvented. Americans will do their darnedest to avoid TAXES. It's in our BLOOD...and rightfully so...

37 posted on 03/18/2005 9:05:43 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: Jotmo

Apparently this hasn't been implemented yet, or it doesn't apply to pipe tobacco. I just purchased some using a credit card. I'll wait and see before I panic.


38 posted on 03/18/2005 9:06:55 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Calpernia
It figures that Spitzer was behind it. If there ever was a politician that needed to have his career ended by fair means or "not so fair", it's that jackass.

Tobacco sellers will quite easily get past this through blinds, or their own cards. No problema, just a PITA.

-Eric

39 posted on 03/18/2005 9:07:25 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: frogjerk
Americans will do their darnedest to avoid unreasonable TAXES
40 posted on 03/18/2005 9:07:40 AM PST by Flyer (* https://dahtcom.nameservices.net *)
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