Posted on 01/28/2005 6:45:05 AM PST by blackminorcapullets
A private site has the right to determine what content it will post. It's making the guidelines clear to all so there will be no misunderstanding. I have no problem with that, and don't see it as a sign of a new Stalinization of Russia. This is simply a private site that is announcing that it wishes to avoid controversy.
"That site is exercizing its right as a private site to moderate and control the content of its publications and members. Strange - we can do that here in the US, but if a Russian follows our lead they're somehow calling for the return of the Red Bear"
Right - and would you like to buy a lovely bridge in Brooklyn that I own?
This is a russian web site for poets and novelists and the translation clearly states that it will be illegal to criticize govt officials by name.
You expect us to believe this is self imposed
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA - don't give up your day job.
T"he average Russian knows and respects countries in Eastern Europe more than most Americans"
why then do 67% of russians think they still own Ukraine?
Sorry general - I guess you were the Korean vet.
So did you prefer the peep or open sight on the M14?
If your friend Pacepa is such a great guy with plenty of not-for-profit integrity, why did he wait until AFTER Sept. 11, 2001, to write the following:
"Before I left Romania for good, in 1978, the Soviet bloc intelligence community flooded the Islamic world with Arabic translations of an old Russian, forged, anti-Semitic tract entitled Protocols of the Elders of Zion, along with “documentary” materials, also in Arabic, “proving” that the United States was a Zionist country governed by Jewish money, whose aim was to extend its domination over the rest of the world. We also infiltrated the Islamic world with thousands of Soviet bloc Islamic citizens recruited as intelligence agents and tasked to implant there a rabid, demented hatred for American Zionism. They were to portray everybody and everything in America as being subordinated to Jewish interests: the leaders, the government, the political parties, the most prominent personalities—and even American history. Most of 'these agents were religious servants, engineers, medical doctors or teachers, and they had excellent credibility. "
Hello black,
Did you translate the original post yourself? If you did, I would like to tap your abilities in the future. Is that ok. Thanks--TTS
| Propaganda | Truth |
|---|---|
| Putin is a communist | Putin has implemented a flat tax of 13%, got rid of the Sales tax, set the corporate tax at 24%, cut the VAT in half, cut 1/3rd off the payroll tax. He has cut back on government size (shrinking government). He has put up 20% of Russian land for sale, the government is in the process of divesting of the remainder of its shares in various companies. There has been judicial reform to a sitting jury from a triumvirate of judges. There has also been a total reform of the banking center, in order to make it transparent. |
| Russia and China are allied to destroy the US | Russia has recently passed up China for an oil export route and choose instead Japan. China had to turn to Iran. Russia is rearming in Siberia, while she arms India with over 400 new tanks, a wing of new aircraft, two nuclear submarines and an aircraft carrier to intercept Chinese shipping. Russia has armed S.Korea with T-90s, armed Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam and Kazakhstan. Russia has attempted (by itself and through the US) to arm Taiwan also. The majority of weapons sold to China are aimed at the US navy, to which China will not be able to catch up for at least another generation. |
| Russia trains with China to destroy the US/West | This year alone, Russia has had joint maneuvers with Japan & S.Korea and then again with the US and UK off the Chinese Coast. |
| There is a Putin pandering mafia after me. | There is a dedicated group of Freepers who are out to expose this propagandist's lies and distortions, for which he has already been banned twice. |
| If you are against me you must be a (take your choice) A. communist, B. Putin lover, C. Russian Orthodox, D. Russian, E. Delusional, F. All of the Above | G. None of the Above. You must be a lover of truth and a hater of yellow journalism, empty conspiracy theories and plain propaganda. |
| The FSB/Russians are behind all the terrorism, including the theater and Beslan. | Only someone blind or shilling for Islam would on a continuous basis shift blame away from the terrorists and onto the victims. |
| Russia is giving Iran nukes. | Wrong. Russia is providing a civilian nuclear reactor with a contract to return spent rods. Do most of us agree with this? No, we are against this. Is this nuclear weapons technology? No. Our allie Pakistan with the assistance of our Most Valued Trading partner China are giving Iran missile and bomb technology. |
| Russia, and Putin in particular, hate Israel and wish to destroy it. | Wrong. Russia is Israel's second closest allie and trading partner and provides Israel with most of its oil and sells it weapons technology. |
| Putin is an Atheist, a hater of Christ. | Putin was baptized as a child, a regular church goer and has proven his faith on numerous occasions. |
| Russia supports Islamic terrorism. | Wrong. The Soviet Union supported socialist Arab revolutionaries/terrorists like the Palestinian People's Liberation Front. Modern day Russia does not support these groups. Our allie Saudi Arabia is the number one backer of all major Islamic groups. |
| Putin is a dictator | Putin was popularly elected with over 70% of the vote, a mandate. He functions within a constitution. True Parliament is dominated by pro-Putin right wing parties, also elected freely. The various right parties received over 83% of the vote. |
| Putin hates Bush. | Putin has been Bush's loudest cheerleader, louder and in front of Sharon, Blair or Berlusconi |
| Putin is moving to grab power through selecting governors. | The governors still have to pass the local Oblast's Parliament's review (that's province). Further, England, Italy and France all have the same systems. |
| Robert W. Lee another TapTheSource writers are credible. | Hardly, most like Mr. Lee, belong to the John Birch society, an organization steeped in conspiracy theories. |
| Yeltsin's declaration of open borders is a hollow one for Soviet citizens, who still cannot leave their country. Even travel outside the Soviet Union is heavily restricted, regardless of the Soviet republic | Typical propaganda leveled by TapTheSource or his articles. Anyone without a criminal warrant can leave at will, so long as the receiving nation will issue a Visa. |
| The Secret Soviets are still in charge and everything is part of their plan. | Lets take this lunacy to its full extent: The Soviets in their diabolic mysterious master plan allowed the Warsaw pact to collapse, the countries to open up and half of them to join NATO (I guess to corrupt NATO from within, regardless that it is those new NATO members that support America now and most of old NATO that is against America, lets ignore that fact). They allowed the Soviet Union itself to fall apart, some of which is also now part of NATO. They allowed the military to degrade, trade secrets to be sold or stolen, Chinese immigrants to come in mass into southern Siberia. Most of their bases to shut down. The economy to dive and only grow again under Capitalism freer then America's. They further allowed the young to not even know who Lenin was, for Islamics (who are all pawns of the Soviets, you see) to attack Russia on a daily basis. All this so that once America was the only apparent supper power, had its military in 120+ nations they could do what? Spring their surprise offensive? Materialize the great invasion army from outer space or outer Mongolia? Or marry enough American men to convert them (think body snatchers) into 5th Columnists and take over the US from inside? (of course that more people then ever voted Republican is also part of their master and evil plan). As a matter of fact, everything that happens that makes this theory look ludicrous for the past 15 years, well that's just part of the brilliance of their master plan. Oh and did we mention that they were obviously able to make Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. into a bunch of idiots who could not see into their plan. So either this is all BS, or every American expert in the government and politician is an idiot and we as a nation are a bunch of idiots (except for the members of the John Birth Society, the only masters of the illuminate able to see this grand Jewish .. erg .. Russian conspiracy. |
| Russia is a dirt poor country. | Russia ranks, according to the CIA World FactBook GDP: purchasing power parity - $1.282 trillion (2003 est.), which places it just behind (now ahead) of Italy, the world's 7th largest economy. |
| Anna Politkovskaya is a reputable Russian journalist who is fighting Putin's facism. | Hardly. Anna Politkovskaya is an opportunist and a leftist. Having become a "political" refugee in the early 1990s, she now has FRENCH citizenship, writes for the socialist La Monde and the socialist Novaye Gazeta. She has staged several of her own "assassination" attempts to better her street credits while meeting constantly with Chechin and Al Quida terrorists and writing gushing love stories of them. Further, anyone who thinks that just because she hates Putin she is pro Bush, you couldn't be more wrong. She is in league with the devil incarnate, Soros, and hates Bush as much. A leftist is a leftist, but judge for yourself and read her views of Bush and the CONSERVATIVES of AMERICA. COWBOY FRIENDS (Praise for Moore) |
| Russia is a nation that only relies on oil. | A total lie, mostly spread by Wahhabi islamic Saudi Arabia and various NeoCons who favor US investment to Facist (and pro-Islamic) China. Read here about the state of the Russian economy that is now returning as a major industrial and IT power. Russia competes directly with India on IT and has had manufacturing climbing at an incredible rate. Financ e Ministry to work on debt payment schedule |
| Ion Mihai Pacepa is a credible source. | Ion Mihai Pacepa was a 2-Star General in the Romanian KGB. The man made a career of upholding the second worst dictatorship Cecescu, in the Warsaw Pact, second only to Stalin's SU. He spent some 30 years building this murderer's power base. Obviously Pacepa was smart enough to read the writing on the way and see the end coming. He "defected" and now makes money writing books and articles. He never stood trial for his evil crimes, after the Romanian Revolution, even as his former master was executed. |
| The dramatic rise of oil prices, in April-September 2002, gave Kremlin new chances for survival. | Only if one ignores the 6-7% growth rates of 200 & 2001 and the tripling of revenues from the 13% flat tax in 2001. |
| Russia greatly expanded military supplies to China; in January-August 2002, the two countries concluded weapons supply contracts | Moscow is in the business of selling weapons, second largest after America. Thus, when China, rich with American cash from the giant trade deficit, ordered weapons from Russia, Israel and France. Russia did not give away "supplies" but sold weapons systems. They also sold weapons systems to India, Indonesia, South Korea, Kazakhstan, Greece, Cyprus, Malaysia, Thailand and a host of other nations. |
| During August and the first half of September, Russia\x{2019}s Defense Ministry and Foreign Ministry made a series of tough anti-Georgian statements, using as a pretext "the presence of Chechen terrorists in the Pankisi Gorge" (a small valley in Georgia bordering Russia). In the beginning of September, Russian bombers made a strike in Georgian territory. | The Pankisi Gorge is an area about half the size of W.Virgina, covered in some of the highest mountains and some of the deepest valleys of the world. Mostly unpopulated and forested, it is used as a training base for Islamics. Recently those none existent islamics perpetrated Beslan and Baseyov himself stated or boasted that he is allied to President Sakaashvili, president of Georgia and a Soros puppet. The strikes were made at early dawn by SU-25s, an impossability for Russia, since to reach it, it's closest SU-25s would have to have taken off and flow at night. Being a second rate SU, after the SU-33s, it is a day light capable only fighter/bomber. Georgia, on the other hand, has built several SU-25s with Israeli assistance that have state of the art night capabilities. Furthermore, no hard proof of the bombing was ever presented by the Georgian government, only recycled photos from 5 years prior. |
| And on Sept. 11, Putin himself threatened Georgia with a heavy military strike if the Georgian government didn\x{2019}t meet Russia\x{2019}s demands. Again, Washington protested, again with no results. | This was in response to a demand that Georgia stop granting visas, protection and support to Chechins, Arabs and other Islamics in the Pankisi Gorge and was limited to Russia stepping into that territory itself. This, after Georgia's only and now formally independent TV Station reported the presence of the terrorists, embarressing then President Shevernadze. |
Please site you source and/or provide link to Pacepa piece. Then I will respond. BTW, Communism is inherently anti-Semitic as we have already discussed (remember our discussion about Marx's book/essay entitled/advocating "A World Without Jews"?). Yes, yes they hate all religion I know...but they have a special hatred for the Jews as they have proved over and over--TTS
Plenty, all those characters from dime store novels. They'd never use stereotypes, now would they?
PS How do you think the Left became so anti-Semitic?
Told you!!! See table on #67. These guys are so predictable--TTS
Not only that, after spending 30 years building and upholding one of the most despicable regimes in the world, he escapes his master's fate (the firing squad) and makes tons of money selling BS articles as some kind of "expert". But I've pointed that out to TTS, who's only prerogative is to spread hate towards Russians. His mission on FR from day one of his first persona.
"But I've pointed that out to TTS, who's only prerogative is to spread hate towards Russians."
I don't hate Russians, I hate their jailors (who you defend).
This is typical propaganda and hatemongering of TTS and his ilk. They count on Americans being to dumb to catch them. Well they count wrongly, just like the DU and the Euros and the Islamics. Wonder which of the 3 they fall into?
Yeah, I'm some how not surprised that your kind doesn't understand private property rights. Well, welcome to capitalism. They are a private site, they set the rules. Don't like it? Move-on.org and DU have a place for you.
Have you ever even held an M14 or an M16? Or rather, an issued one rather then some private one you squeezed off a few rounds on at a range, to make you feel manly?
I wouldn't, he doesn't do a good job and misses rather big parts of the translation, that state flat out that this is a company policy. But, hay, your posts are not exactly known for honesty anyways, so what the hay?
no it was translated on the blogsite
Nu, patsan, ty oshibsya!
"This is a russian web site for poets and novelists and the translation clearly states that it will be illegal to criticize govt officials by name."
Please explain to me and others who speak Russian why you have translated the phrases: "Ne dopuskaetsya" and "Zapreshaetsya" into stating that it is an "ILLEGAL" act. Ne dopuskaetsya means that they (the website) will not ALLOW/PERMIT the aforementioned writing. "Zapreshaetsya" means that it is FORBIDDEN on that site to post the aforementioned types of correspondence. FYI, when Russians refer to something being ILLEGAL they ALWAYS post the paragraph, subparagraph, and legal act which makes an activity unlawful. There is no such law, so there is no such reference. Once again, the site is moderating the content on it and does not reference any Russian legal statute. Furthermore, if you knew Russians, you would know that if such a legal statute existed they would certainly reference it in order to provide themselves "cover" for any criticism they may receive due to this controversial measure.
Do I need to post all of the Russian websites that allow such types of writing. Will that prove to you that it is not illegal to do so?
A little word of advice, before you state that something is "clearly stated" on a website, I highly suggest you invest in some Russian language courses with a focus on translation. You obviously are weak in this area.
As far as giving up my day job. I don't think so. I'm doing an outstanding job, if I do say so myself. Tell the John Birch Society I said hello.
Lets deconstruct this BS copout from your type. Russia has a freely elected government, they had free elections, observed by the OSCE and declared honest. Putin was elected by 76% of the vote. That means you hate the people who elected him. Well that puts you in good company with the: Communists 13%, Socialists 3%, Yablaka 3%, SRS (Oligarch party) 3% and Misc 2% (probably the terrorists on the run from him). Congratulations, you have good standing company. Now go and have a koombaya with them.
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