[jb6]

TapTheSource/FearGodNotMen/GIJoel Propaganda

Propaganda	Truth
Putin is a communist	Putin has implemented a flat tax of 13%, got rid of the Sales tax, set the corporate tax at 24%, cut the VAT in half, cut 1/3rd off the payroll tax. He has cut back on government size (shrinking government). He has put up 20% of Russian land for sale, the government is in the process of divesting of the remainder of its shares in various companies. There has been judicial reform to a sitting jury from a triumvirate of judges. There has also been a total reform of the banking center, in order to make it transparent.
Russia and China are allied to destroy the US	Russia has recently passed up China for an oil export route and choose instead Japan. China had to turn to Iran. Russia is rearming in Siberia, while she arms India with over 400 new tanks, a wing of new aircraft, two nuclear submarines and an aircraft carrier to intercept Chinese shipping. Russia has armed S.Korea with T-90s, armed Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam and Kazakhstan. Russia has attempted (by itself and through the US) to arm Taiwan also. The majority of weapons sold to China are aimed at the US navy, to which China will not be able to catch up for at least another generation.
Russia trains with China to destroy the US/West	This year alone, Russia has had joint maneuvers with Japan & S.Korea and then again with the US and UK off the Chinese Coast.
There is a Putin pandering mafia after me.	There is a dedicated group of Freepers who are out to expose this propagandist's lies and distortions, for which he has already been banned twice.
If you are against me you must be a (take your choice) A. communist, B. Putin lover, C. Russian Orthodox, D. Russian, E. Delusional, F. All of the Above	G. None of the Above. You must be a lover of truth and a hater of yellow journalism, empty conspiracy theories and plain propaganda.
The FSB/Russians are behind all the terrorism, including the theater and Beslan.	Only someone blind or shilling for Islam would on a continuous basis shift blame away from the terrorists and onto the victims.
Russia is giving Iran nukes.	Wrong. Russia is providing a civilian nuclear reactor with a contract to return spent rods. Do most of us agree with this? No, we are against this. Is this nuclear weapons technology? No. Our allie Pakistan with the assistance of our Most Valued Trading partner China are giving Iran missile and bomb technology.
Russia, and Putin in particular, hate Israel and wish to destroy it.	Wrong. Russia is Israel's second closest allie and trading partner and provides Israel with most of its oil and sells it weapons technology.
Putin is an Atheist, a hater of Christ.	Putin was baptized as a child, a regular church goer and has proven his faith on numerous occasions.
Russia supports Islamic terrorism.	Wrong. The Soviet Union supported socialist Arab revolutionaries/terrorists like the Palestinian People's Liberation Front. Modern day Russia does not support these groups. Our allie Saudi Arabia is the number one backer of all major Islamic groups.
Putin is a dictator	Putin was popularly elected with over 70% of the vote, a mandate. He functions within a constitution. True Parliament is dominated by pro-Putin right wing parties, also elected freely. The various right parties received over 83% of the vote.
Putin hates Bush.	Putin has been Bush's loudest cheerleader, louder and in front of Sharon, Blair or Berlusconi
Putin is moving to grab power through selecting governors.	The governors still have to pass the local Oblast's Parliament's review (that's province). Further, England, Italy and France all have the same systems.
Robert W. Lee another TapTheSource writers are credible.	Hardly, most like Mr. Lee, belong to the John Birch society, an organization steeped in conspiracy theories.
Yeltsin's declaration of open borders is a hollow one for Soviet citizens, who still cannot leave their country. Even travel outside the Soviet Union is heavily restricted, regardless of the Soviet republic	Typical propaganda leveled by TapTheSource or his articles. Anyone without a criminal warrant can leave at will, so long as the receiving nation will issue a Visa.
The Secret Soviets are still in charge and everything is part of their plan.	Lets take this lunacy to its full extent: The Soviets in their diabolic mysterious master plan allowed the Warsaw pact to collapse, the countries to open up and half of them to join NATO (I guess to corrupt NATO from within, regardless that it is those new NATO members that support America now and most of old NATO that is against America, lets ignore that fact). They allowed the Soviet Union itself to fall apart, some of which is also now part of NATO. They allowed the military to degrade, trade secrets to be sold or stolen, Chinese immigrants to come in mass into southern Siberia. Most of their bases to shut down. The economy to dive and only grow again under Capitalism freer then America's. They further allowed the young to not even know who Lenin was, for Islamics (who are all pawns of the Soviets, you see) to attack Russia on a daily basis. All this so that once America was the only apparent supper power, had its military in 120+ nations they could do what? Spring their surprise offensive? Materialize the great invasion army from outer space or outer Mongolia? Or marry enough American men to convert them (think body snatchers) into 5th Columnists and take over the US from inside? (of course that more people then ever voted Republican is also part of their master and evil plan). As a matter of fact, everything that happens that makes this theory look ludicrous for the past 15 years, well that's just part of the brilliance of their master plan. Oh and did we mention that they were obviously able to make Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. into a bunch of idiots who could not see into their plan. So either this is all BS, or every American expert in the government and politician is an idiot and we as a nation are a bunch of idiots (except for the members of the John Birth Society, the only masters of the illuminate able to see this grand Jewish .. erg .. Russian conspiracy.
Russia is a dirt poor country.	Russia ranks, according to the CIA World FactBook GDP: purchasing power parity - $1.282 trillion (2003 est.), which places it just behind (now ahead) of Italy, the world's 7th largest economy. Explaining Purchasing Power Parity
Anna Politkovskaya is a reputable Russian journalist who is fighting Putin's facism.	Hardly. Anna Politkovskaya is an opportunist and a leftist. Having become a "political" refugee in the early 1990s, she now has FRENCH citizenship, writes for the socialist La Monde and the socialist Novaye Gazeta. She has staged several of her own "assassination" attempts to better her street credits while meeting constantly with Chechin and Al Quida terrorists and writing gushing love stories of them. Further, anyone who thinks that just because she hates Putin she is pro Bush, you couldn't be more wrong. She is in league with the devil incarnate, Soros, and hates Bush as much. A leftist is a leftist, but judge for yourself and read her views of Bush and the CONSERVATIVES of AMERICA. COWBOY FRIENDS (Praise for Moore)
Russia is a nation that only relies on oil.	A total lie, mostly spread by Wahhabi islamic Saudi Arabia and various NeoCons who favor US investment to Facist (and pro-Islamic) China. Read here about the state of the Russian economy that is now returning as a major industrial and IT power. Russia competes directly with India on IT and has had manufacturing climbing at an incredible rate. Financ e Ministry to work on debt payment schedule Budget surplus higher than planned Person al incomes rise in Russia Most state enterprises to be privatized by 2007 Genera l Electric plans to invest $200m in Russia Person al incomes up in September Data on industrial production posted Russia 's foreign trade reported Gov 't considering airfield privatizations Russia posts increase in industrial production Russia 's foreign debt reaches six year low Russia 's debt to drop to 23% of GDP Russia leads in GDP growth Export s to play more important role in Russian economy
Ion Mihai Pacepa is a credible source.	Ion Mihai Pacepa was a 2-Star General in the Romanian KGB. The man made a career of upholding the second worst dictatorship Cecescu, in the Warsaw Pact, second only to Stalin's SU. He spent some 30 years building this murderer's power base. Obviously Pacepa was smart enough to read the writing on the way and see the end coming. He "defected" and now makes money writing books and articles. He never stood trial for his evil crimes, after the Romanian Revolution, even as his former master was executed.
The dramatic rise of oil prices, in April-September 2002, gave Kremlin new chances for survival.	Only if one ignores the 6-7% growth rates of 200 & 2001 and the tripling of revenues from the 13% flat tax in 2001.
Russia greatly expanded military supplies to China; in January-August 2002, the two countries concluded weapons supply contracts	Moscow is in the business of selling weapons, second largest after America. Thus, when China, rich with American cash from the giant trade deficit, ordered weapons from Russia, Israel and France. Russia did not give away "supplies" but sold weapons systems. They also sold weapons systems to India, Indonesia, South Korea, Kazakhstan, Greece, Cyprus, Malaysia, Thailand and a host of other nations.
During August and the first half of September, Russia\x{2019}s Defense Ministry and Foreign Ministry made a series of tough anti-Georgian statements, using as a pretext "the presence of Chechen terrorists in the Pankisi Gorge" (a small valley in Georgia bordering Russia). In the beginning of September, Russian bombers made a strike in Georgian territory.	The Pankisi Gorge is an area about half the size of W.Virgina, covered in some of the highest mountains and some of the deepest valleys of the world. Mostly unpopulated and forested, it is used as a training base for Islamics. Recently those none existent islamics perpetrated Beslan and Baseyov himself stated or boasted that he is allied to President Sakaashvili, president of Georgia and a Soros puppet. The strikes were made at early dawn by SU-25s, an impossability for Russia, since to reach it, it's closest SU-25s would have to have taken off and flow at night. Being a second rate SU, after the SU-33s, it is a day light capable only fighter/bomber. Georgia, on the other hand, has built several SU-25s with Israeli assistance that have state of the art night capabilities. Furthermore, no hard proof of the bombing was ever presented by the Georgian government, only recycled photos from 5 years prior.
And on Sept. 11, Putin himself threatened Georgia with a heavy military strike if the Georgian government didn\x{2019}t meet Russia\x{2019}s demands. Again, Washington protested, again with no results.	This was in response to a demand that Georgia stop granting visas, protection and support to Chechins, Arabs and other Islamics in the Pankisi Gorge and was limited to Russia stepping into that territory itself. This, after Georgia's only and now formally independent TV Station reported the presence of the terrorists, embarressing then President Shevernadze.

This is an ever growing list to bring the truth forward and fight the lies of these propagandists and Allah cheerleaders.

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jb6

Wow - what a list of non issue straw man arguments.

Who cares about those so called "propaganda" items that are very convenient for you.

I rather talk about the Kremlins ham handed attempt to takeover Ukraine.

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"Yushchenko: 'Live And Carry On'
Jan. 30, 2005

It's a plot straight out of spy novel. A presidential candidate in the heart of Europe is
stricken by a mystery poison that disfigures his face and nearly kills him.

But this is no fiction. It's the story of how Ukraine's new president, Viktor Yushchenko,
triumphed over his country's authoritarian rulers, while leading a massive people-power
revolution.

For the first time since his inauguration, Yushchenko tells his incredible story to CNN's
Christiane Amanpour, on assignment for 60 Minutes.

In Kiev, the capital of Ukraine, the walls of St. Michael's Monastery of the Golden Domes
resonate with a painful history. Demolished by Stalin's henchmen, this 12th century
cathedral has been rebuilt from scratch, a task almost as monumental as the one faced by
Yushchenko, Ukraine's new president.

"It's a huge responsibility," says Yushchenko. "Ukrainians have dreamt of being free for
centuries. So no one expected we'd come so close to dictatorship."

And that might have happened if the plot to poison Yushchenko had succeeded. It has
completely disfigured him.

"You challenged people about your face," says Amanpour. "You said that your face is
everything that is wrong with Ukraine. What do you mean by that?"

"People cry when they see my face, but my country has also been disfigured," says
Yushchenko. "Now, we'll bring both back to health."

How does he deal with his disfigurement now? "This Yushchenko," he says, "I'm still not
used to."

Six months ago, when he began his campaign to unseat Ukraine's authoritarian rulers, did
he have any idea that it would be so difficult and that he would go through such personal
hardship?

"I know what kind of country I live in, and who's in charge of the government," says
Yushchenko. "But I didn't think they'd be cynical enough to poison me."

Ignored by Ukraine's highly controlled media, Yushchenko's grassroots campaign against
government corruption was somehow starting to catch on. He barnstormed the country with
his American-born wife, Katherine, often at his side.

"He was a great threat to the old system, where there was a great deal of corruption,
where people were making millions, if not billions," says Katherine, whose parents were
Ukrainian immigrants to Chicago.

She was used to straddling two worlds, but nothing prepared her for Ukraine's poisoned
politics.

"The whole purpose of what they did, I believe now, was to keep him out of the campaign,
to knock him out," says Katherine. "They tried to destroy him politically, and I always
feared that when they were not successful, they would try to then do something
physically."

She also feared that something would happen to her family. And then, suddenly it did. On
Sept. 6, Yushchenko fell critically ill, and no one in Ukraine could explain why.

"It was a very, very, very difficult situation," says Katherine. "Many of the doctors told
us that they were, that they just had never experienced somebody having so much pain for
so many unknown reasons."

He had symptoms like a swollen pancreas, stomach ulcers, and a crippling backache. His
family rushed him to a clinic in Austria, but Dr. Michael Zimpfer was just as baffled by
his seemingly unrelated symptoms.

"That made us suspicious," says Zimpfer. "We inform the patient that we never saw an
identical clinical picture before, and we suspect, don't know yet, but we suspect that
there might be an act of bio-terrorism or poisoning behind that."

The doctors struggled to save his life, but they couldn't keep him in bed for long. Eight
days later, Yushchenko insisted on going home with tubes dripping painkillers inserted
right into his spine.

Did Katherine ever try to dissuade him? "He knew he had to go forward and there was no
turning back," she says.

Three days after returning to Kiev, Yushchenko faced down his political enemies in
parliament. They had mockingly attributed his mystery illness to bad sushi or excessive
drinking. But no could explain why his face was so horribly swollen.

"Look at my face, this is a fraction of the problems I've had," said Yushchenko in
parliament. "This isn't a problem of cuisine; we're talking about the Ukrainian political
kitchen, where assassinations can be ordered. You know very well who the killer is. The
government is the killer."

But the government brushed off these allegations, until the hard proof came in. Three
months after Yushchenko first fell ill, a lab in Amsterdam reported dioxin levels in his
blood that was 6,000 times above normal.

"This is the highest we've ever seen, and one of the highest ever reported," says Bram
Brouwer, who runs the lab. "And it fits very well with the symptoms that are now observed,
with Mr. Yushchenko's face, the chloracne."

The evidence that Yushchenko was poisoned was now irrefutable. Dioxin, one of the world's
most toxic chemicals, was responsible for the scarring of his face and threatened his
future with cancer. But the question remained. Who carried out this crime?

The attempt to eliminate Yushchenko is as Byzantine as Kiev's skyline, filled with plots
and potential villains. One theory is that he was poisoned by Ukraine's security services,
the old KGB, because just before he fell so gravely ill, he had been invited to dinner by
the security chiefs.
Yushchenko and his hosts shared crayfish, salad and a few beers, and ironically they had
been meeting to discuss the death threats against him.

Ukraine's security services deny they had anything to do with the poisoning. Their
director had in fact been helping the Yushchenko camp.

Does Yushchenko know who did this to him? "I have no doubts this was by my opponents in
the government, that's who would benefit the most from my death," says Yushchenko.

But there is still the question of how it was done. One way to solve it is to trace the
poison. And some people in Yushchenko's camp think that it came from a Russian chemical
weapons lab.

"Dioxin like this is produced in four or five military labs in Russia, America, and a few
other countries," says Yushchenko. "Our security services have informed me how this
material got into Ukraine, but that evidence is now with our general prosecutor, who
eventually must answer this question."

They must also examine another plot on Yushchenko's life. Ukraine's security services say
a powerful car bomb, targeting Yushchenko's headquarters, was discovered during the
presidential campaign. Two Russian nationals are being interrogated.

Spokesmen for the Russian security services would not comment on either case, but
President Vladimir Putin's role during the election remains controversial. He openly
backed the handpicked successor of the previous regime, coming to Kiev twice to lend his
support.

"President Putin supported your opponent during the election. How do you reconcile with
him," asks Amanpour.

"I'll give him my hand, and l say, 'Vladimir Vladimirovich, let's forget the past and
think of the future,'" says Yushchenko.

This week he did just that, greeting Putin on his first trip abroad after his
inauguration.

"Everyone now understands only Ukrainians have the right to choose Ukraine's president,"
says Yushchenko. "Our president is not elected in Moscow, or anywhere else."

That became apparent when the previous regime tried to steal the presidential election
through massive voting fraud. It triggered what became known as the Orange Revolution, a
spontaneous revolt of outraged citizens who for weeks besieged their own capital

Democracy was finally taking root in a country where greed and corruption had become the
rule of law.

When government troops lined up for what could have ended in an European-style Tiananmen
Square, the people's power of persuasion won the battle of the streets and Yushchenko and
all those who had believed in him triumph in a bloodless revolution.

"The millions who came out on the street showed that they don't want tyranny," says
Yushchenko. "They want freedom."

But what a price for freedom he paid. "Everyone has paid a price," says Yushchenko.

"A lot of people asked me, 'How did you deal with it,' and my answer was always my
husband's alive. My children are alive, I'm alive," says Yushchenko's wife, Katherine. "It
was such a small episode in a huge revolution. Generations of Ukrainians, you could say
centuries of Ukrainians, have dreamed and have fought, and have died for a chance to be
right where we are right now."

"When I heard that millions were praying for me, it went straight to my heart," says
Yushchenko. "But I also felt an obligation to live. To die is not very original, but to
live and carry on -- that's special."


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