Posted on 01/28/2005 6:45:05 AM PST by blackminorcapullets
I heard about it from Mishah first, and then it was on yesterday's NTV evening news: a Russian-language web portal called the Russian National Literary Network has issued a "Directive on Limiting the Themes of Literary Works."
The Directive mainly concerns two of the Network's writing sites, Proza.ru (prose) and Stihi.ru (poetry). At a glance, the sites resemble a cross between Zoetrope.com and LiveJournal.com, inviting aspiring authors to post their work for review by other members. As of 9 pm today, Proza.ru has 22,313 members, 188,457 stories and 277,077 reviews; Stihi.ru lists 67,115 members, 1,609,066 poems and 2,132,558 reviews.
Even though today Dmitriy Kravchuk, the Network's coordinator and the author of the Directive, has postponed the implementation of the Directive "due to the negative reaction of the literary community and the discovery of a number of shortcomings," its text still appears online.
Here's its translation:
The Directive on limiting the themes of literary works published on the Internet resources of the Russian National Literary Network
1. On the Internet resources of the RNLN it is forbidden to publish literary works and forum messages covering the following themes:
- The special operation of the Russian troops in the Chechen Republic during 1991-2004 [actually, the so-called "special operation" officially began on Dec. 11, 1994, not in 1991...]
- Terrorist acts against citizens of the Russian Federation
- Opposition of certain citizen groups to implementation of the Laws of the RF and the Decrees of the President of the RF (in particular, the Law on Monetization of the Benefits [which has caused the Babushka Revolution]
2. On the Internet resources of of the RNLN it is forbidden to publish literary works and forum messages, which include personal mentions (with the first or last name) of individuals belonging to one of the categories of the Class A public officials (in accordance with Appendix 1). At the same time, it is allowed to mention the individual's title, as long as this mention is connected with the execution of state functions and not with his personal qualities [sic].
3. On the Internet resources of of the RNLN it is forbidden to publish literary works and forum messages, which include mentions in a negative context of the Class B public officials (in accordance with Appendix 2). A negative context is the identification of the mentioned individual as a negative literary hero by literary experts affiliated with the RNLN.
4. On the Internet resources of of the RNLN it is forbidden to publish literary works and forum messages, which include mentions in a positive context of the Class C individuals (in accordance with Appendix 3). A positive context is the identification of the mentioned individual as a positive literary hero by literary experts affiliated with the RNLN.
Literary works with content prohibited by this Directive will have to be deleted by their authors before Feb. 1, 2005. If the works containing the prohibited content are discovered after Feb. 1, 2005, the site's moderators are obliged to block the pages and all works of these authors without the possibilty of renewing [membership] later.
Organizational Committee of the Russian National Literary Network
Appendix 1. Categories of the Class A public officials.
It is forbidden to publish literary works, which include personal mentions (first or last name) of individuals belonging to the following categories:
- President of the RF and members of his family - Head of the government and ministers of the RF - Members of the Federation Councils [sic] of the Federal Assembly of the RF - Deputies of the State Duma of the RF who are members of the United Russia faction [the pro-Putin majority in the Russian Parliament] - Governors of the federal centers of the RF - Mayors of the cities of the RF
Appendix 2. Categories of the Class B public officials.
It is forbidden to publish literary works and forum messages, which include mentions in a negative context of individuals belonging to the following categories:
- Heroes of Russia - Heroes of the Soviet Union, who received this title during the Great Patriotic War - Serving officers of the Russian Army, Ministry of Internal Affairs, Federal Security Service, Federal Guards Service, Intelligence Service in the rank higher than the Colonel and First-Rank Captain (inclusive) - Representatives of the RF state on duty - Members of the United Russia Party and the Walking Together public movement [a pro-Putin youth organization]
Appendix 2. Categories of the Class C individuals.
It is forbidden to publish literary works and forum messages, which include mentions in a positive context of individuals belonging to the following categories:
- Individuals wanted by the federal authorities on charges of plotting terrorist acts against RF citizens - Individuals killed as the result of special operations of the Russian troops in the Chechen Republic, those who resisted or were accused of plotting terrorist acts against citizens of the RF - Individuals charged with involvement in international terrorist organizations - State authorities and soldiers of the Fascist Germany of the Great Patriotic War period, as well as individuals who collaborated with the Fascist Germany
After wasting an hour translating this, I'm more or less speechless. The only thing I can say is that this once again confirms my view that Stalin was ourselves, in a way, and Putin is ourselves, too.
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And here's a translation of a wonderful poem one of the members of Stihi.ru has recently posted on the site:
PRESIDENT by Thinkerbell
PutinPutinPutinPoo! PutinPutinPutinPoo! Poopoopoo! Poopoopoo! PutinPutinPutinPoo!
© Copyright: Thinkerbell, 2005 Code: 1501261784
By the way, I noticed you never got back to me on the list of names below. You wanted a sample of the Communist elite who control the "former" Soviet Union from behind the scenes. They are reposted below for your convenience. Why didn't you repond? They are very damning names and give the lie to "collapsible" Communism:
"But the real Communist elite, beyond the obvious names like Putin and Primakov, consists of names like Igor Mintusov, Aleksandr Kazakov, Vyacheslav Nikonov, Georgii Satarov, Aleksandr Abramov, Aleksei Koshmarov, Aleksei Sitnikov, Dmitrii Levchik
Just to name a few. These are the people who run the political campaigns of those running for office. These high-level Communist operatives do not advertise their activities. If you are an elected official, you do what these people tell you or youre gone and/or dead."
"Wait a second - in another thread you called Pacepa the most important person to have ever defected. Make up your mind."
Actually, I said nothing of the sort, de Borchgrave did.
"And to say Golitsyn was the great saviour is an insult to a true hero (Penkovskiy)"
Penkovskiy was most likely planted on Western intelligence by the KGB. And I seriously doubt you ever read Golitsyn. Otherwise you wouldn't issue so many uninformed statements about him, such as he told the CIA "whatever they wanted to hear." In fact, this proves beyond any reasonable doubt that you have never read Golitsyn. I bet you didn't even read the "Soviet Moles in the CIA" I posted to you. Even if you had just read that, you wouldn't be making statements like the one I quoted above.
"Penkovskiy was most likely planted on Western intelligence by the KGB. And I seriously doubt you ever read Golitsyn. Otherwise you wouldn't issue so many uninformed statements about him, such as he told the CIA "whatever they wanted to hear." In fact, this proves beyond any reasonable doubt that you have never read Golitsyn. I bet you didn't even read the "Soviet Moles in the CIA" I posted to you. Even if you had just read that, you wouldn't be making statements like the one I quoted above."
You're incredible. You obviously don't know who Penkovsky was. And, once again, you state I didn't read Golitsyn - I did - I also take it with a grain of SALT since he was obviously planted - follow the incidents that ocurred after he "defected" 10, yes that's 10 years of damage to the CIA. Lovely. But keep defending him. He did more DAMAGE to our efforts against the Soviet threat - but that's ok, he's stoking your paranoid keep the cold war alive fires.
I guess Polyakov was also "planted" by the KGB. And, I guess Major Golitsyn was more of a man and hero than Penkovsky and Polyakov. You're defending a man of dubious origin, of dubious credentials and of dubious honor. But NOTHING I can say, write, post will change your mind.
"Beginning in 1962 and by 1964, Angleton was in this VERY sick co-dependent "Relationship with a two-bit KGB paranoid "Loser" defector by the name of Anatoliy Golitsyn. When a very high level Second Directorate KGB official (Yuriy Nosenko) defected in 1962, Golitsyn knew and reasonably feared that his limited value to the CIA, FBI and Army Intel would come to a fast conclusion. He had good reason to fear this because he had over-exaggerated his value to the KGB (In reality he was very low level and very mediocre with access to very little information of any real value). Golitsyn played Angleton's paranoia..."
Again, cite your sources. Did you get that off the CIA website? If you want the other side of the story, read "Soviet Moles in the CIA":
"You're defending a man of dubious origin, of dubious credentials and of dubious honor. But NOTHING I can say, write, post will change your mind."
If you can disprove Golitsyn, I'd be happy to change my views. But you can't. Truth is truth.
And no, I don't believe you have ever read Golitsyn...to many GLARING mistakes.
Thanks read later bump
"Thanks read later bump"
Please do. It's truly a tragedy how the smear campaign against Angleton and Golitsyn goes on to this very day. Had they been listened to and acted upon, Russia/Soviets and the Red Chinese would not be nearly the menace they are today.
Best Regards--TTS
>>I had such high hopes for Russia.<<
Even after KAL 007? Wow! That I find hard to believe. Disinformation is more popular than information these days.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd88.htm
http://www.devvy.com/kal007_19991120.html
I'm still optimistic about Russia. Why? I think the Russian people love Americans. America is far less a threat to Russia than its own leaders, and many of them know it. It's their leaders who keep thinking empire instead of liberal western unity. I'll bet that some of them were applauding President Bush's state of the union speech behind the privacy of closed doors.
Keep on digging. The hole you're standing in just keeps getting deeper. With every shovel full of dirt, your agenda gets further revealed.
What agenda would that be, prey tell? Prove me wrong. And don't be like TTS and post pages of "proof" coming from the same source -Golitsyn and "verified" by Golitsyn. Sold down the river by a dubious source of very questionable loyalties.
Since TTS refused to answer this, maybe you'll give it a shot - How can you compare Penkovsky and Polyakov's deeds with the b.s. that Golitsyn spins?
I observe behavior. You are investing a lot of energy into discrediting Golitsyn (and by extension, Angleton, and by further extension, the overall US policy regarding Communism from 1952 until ~ 1964).
"I observe behavior. You are investing a lot of energy into discrediting Golitsyn (and by extension, Angleton, and by further extension, the overall US policy regarding Communism from 1952 until ~ 1964)."
Your observations are incorrect. I'm not discrediting US policy regarding Communism during any period of time (well, perhaps during Roosevelt's tenure). I am discrediting Golitsyn AND Angleton because they deserve it. Angleton's relationship with Golitsyn caused a 10-year hold on important work - caused witch hunts which damaged good men. End result - no mole found, none of the accused found "guilty" of anything. Probably had a permanent negative impact on the CIA. For ANYONE to claim that Golitsyn is legit or some forward thinking intel Nostradamus is pure folly. Do the math:
Philby worked closely with Angleton, knew him well, knew his weakeness, and betrayed him when he defected (surely led to Angleton's manic paranoia - turned on his close confidants, etc).
Philby defects - goes to the Soviet Union. Imagine how interested the Sovs would be in Angleton. How they would want to know his weakenesses from Philby - a man who knew him well. Imagine how they could use this information to manipulate a very senior CIA officer (without him even realizing it).
Then, in Helsinki a junior KGB officer (Golytsin) defects and claims to have knowledge of 1st Directorate missions, when he was Counterintel. Makes a lot of claims that would cause (and did cause) suspicion. He ingratiated himself on Angleton. Angleton then starts his witchhunts causing a 10 year paralysis in the Soviet division and the counter-intel division - a paralysis and witch hunt that spilled over into the FBI. Ask yourself this: Who would gain more from this sort of situation? The CIA or the KGB? So, it's fairly easy to conclude that Golitsyn either never left the employ of the KGB, or bluffed his way and got lucky a few times. I believe the former over the latter. Regarding his time at the KGB Academy - as a junior officer he would not have been trained in what the author of the books claim he was. But just who was their source for the information on Golitsysn? Golitsyn himself. No way of verifying what he said. The KGB/FSB isn't going to confirm anything.
Plus, if you are the observant person you claim you are, don't you think it's odd that none of the Russian sites that list "traitors of the Motherland" have anything about Golitsyn? I sure do. After all, if he was the "most important defector from the Soviet Union or their Eastern satelites" don't you think he'd be villian number one? They have documentaries on spying on Russian TV all the time and NOTHING about Golitsyn. How do you explain this away?
Of course, now that Golitsyn's "mission" is over he has to fend for himself - so, he continues to stick to the same ol' story.
Don't you also find it out that the only source verification of articles on Golitsyn is Golitsyn? Come on, that doesn't pass any smell tests. It's about as useful as saying "Dan Rather said it."
It's also text book of Golitsyn to repeat over and over that anyone who tries to discredit him is either a fellow traveler or a dupe. That's classic. Oldest trick in the book. Seems a few people on here have fallen for it. (Something the KGB observed from the McCarthy Hearings [and no, I'm not saying McCarthy was wrong]- if people are afraid to be labeled Communist-sympathizer they'll shut the hell up).
Lastly, if you want to infer that I am somehow a Soviet apologist, or sympathizer, or Russophile, etc., go for it. I'll prove you wrong. I realize that Russia is far from perfect, that Putin is making serious errors, and that Russia has a loooooooong way to go. Basically the country is a mess. I don't need a friggin' book or newspaper article to tell me that. I observe it every day. First hand, throughout the former Soviet Union. And, I also see the potential that Russia has if they go down the right path, if they get up off of their knees. This is NOT a bad thing for us, the opposite is true - a self-confident proud Russia will act responsibly instead of like the truculent child it appears to be acting like now. Let's call that the "France Model."
Dragging this tired old Cold War crap out again and again and again is ridiculous and has no merit. Old habits die hard I guess. But, this is not only a problem in the US, it's a problem in Russia as well. Their "cold warriors" refuse to believe the US is not evil and intent on world domination so in their newspapers, or on the radio, or on the net you read the same ridiculous crap that TTS [and others] posts, except this time it's from the Russian viewpoint. And it's just as baseless.
But what of Golitsyn's many correct predictions and inferences? The most striking at the time was that at some point, the Sino-Soviet split, whether real or fake, would become healed. Witness recent events between the two. Another key element of Golitsyn's thesis was that Perestroika, and subsequent false liberalizations, would tempt the West, especially western technology businesses, into arrangements which would ultimately result in Western technology moving to the East. And that is exactly what has happened. People who, 25 years ago, worked on projects aimed, ultimately, at attacking the West and killing millions, have, with no real extensive background checks, and no public repudiation of their past sinister work, gone on to do high tech business with the West, and have acquired substantial western intellectual property. This actually fits right in with Golitsyn's thesis.
Both Golitysn and Angleton were / are ill fitted in many ways for modern life. Both were / are throw backs, not unlike characters such as Patton, to a more manly, less politically correct, 19th century mindset. The swashbuckler has no more role in the technocratic atmosphere of today. As early as the end of WW2, it was apparent that the swashbucklers' days were numbered. I am not in agreement with this state of affairs, but it is what it is. Angleton and Golitsyn were / are swashbucklers in a world of bon vivants and metrosexuals. But to ignore or discredit their analyses may yet prove quite foolish.
"But what of Golitsyn's many correct predictions and inferences? The most striking at the time was that at some point, the Sino-Soviet split, whether real or fake, would become healed. Witness recent events between the two."
Any student of Soviet History and Russo-Sino relations would be able to predict this pattern of behavior. Golitsyn, contrary to what some say, was not the only one making this "revelation." Nixon and Kissinger knew they had to exploit the Sino-Soviet split as quickly as possible. Why would that be? Because they understood that the Sovs and the Chicoms both knew that a unstable relationship was harmful to both of them. They wanted to exploit the split before it healed. Remember, the "communists" were supposed to be in the same camp and followed the same sort of ideology. Nothing amazing in this "prediction" - most of my professors and langauge instructors said the same thing. Strangely enough - before Golitsyn's books were released.
"Another key element of Golitsyn's thesis was that Perestroika, and subsequent false liberalizations, would tempt the West, especially western technology businesses, into arrangements which would ultimately result in Western technology moving to the East. And that is exactly what has happened. People who, 25 years ago, worked on projects aimed, ultimately, at attacking the West and killing millions, have, with no real extensive background checks, and no public repudiation of their past sinister work, gone on to do high tech business with the West, and have acquired substantial western intellectual property. This actually fits right in with Golitsyn's thesis."
And those institutes and factories at which they previously worked have been converted, with US assistance, into factories/institutes producing and developing products that can compete in the international market. And not weapons. Oh, and those Western companies doing business over there - well, they're staffed with Westerners making big $$$$. At one place I worked at previously in Russia, our secretary was a physicist and one of our drivers was a chemical engineer. They would much rather work in those jobs at a Western company than get paid the 100/month they'd get at a Russian company.
And, once again, a student of Soviet history, Marxist-Leninist theory, etc., would also predict the same about Perestroika. Here's the deal - they thought they could liberalize with Perestroika, and would compliment this with the loosening on restrictions of political criticism (Glasnost), but they opened the Pandora Box from which they cannot recover. (READ YAKOVLEV - He addresses all of this.) Additionally, the Soviets took the step of Perestroika because Ronald Wilson Reagan was kicking their butts in the arms race and the stagnated Soviet society/economy could not keep up. It was a last grasp measure of liberalizing, just like NEP, just like letting the peasants go to church during WWII, and they really thought they'd be able to get things turned around and stay in power. The events in Eastern Europe (Solidarity, etc), combined with the Chernobyl disaster (oh, I guess the Sovs planned that one too?) and the fallout (pun intended) after Gorbachev's attempt to hide the disaster from the world and from his own people set off a chain of events that led to the implosion of a rotten corrupt dying system. (And Golitsyn did NOT predict and could not have predicted this) Ya see, Golitsyn predicted a "collapse" as a ruse, as a one-step forward-two-steps-back routine. He didn't predict the utter and final irreversible collapse of the Soviet Union.
And, regarding sinister work, let's be fair here: Are our scientists who worked on similar projects also sinister? The "sinister" ones of which you speak aren't working with Western companies. More than likely, they're selling their knowledge to the highest bidders (perhaps, N. Korea, Syria, Iran?).
The contradiction of the claims by Golitsynites are interesting. The same people who post that Russia is a hotbed of disease, poverty, alcholism, immorality, death, destruction, poorly run conscript army, ineffectual security services, are the same ones who want the uninformed to believe that somehow this is an intricate plot to fool the West into thinking they're down and out and then they'll be able to take over the world. They are so far out of shape, behind in many many many areas, that the biggest threat the Russian government poses is to itself. So, when this country, with a rich history (and a 70-year period of evil), tries to set itself on the right course (and makes many many mistakes in doing so), they are derided by the "Cry Wolf" crowd which appears to be unduly influenced ONCE AGAIN by a person (GOLITSYN) who overstated his qualifications, manipulated a high-level CIA officer resulting in a 10-year stagnation at the CIA, and is revered by them like the second coming of Christ.
Think about it. Do you REALLY trust a man, who only had 9 years experience in the KGB, to have such access to what he claims? Have you given thought that he may have had "help" in writing those treatsies? Perhaps by some people who may have seen the benefit in overstating the Soviet and post-Soviet threat? Ensuring that people would never believe that the Russian bear was a little less threatening and justifying higher budgets on favorite programs?
And, as always, none of you answer the questions I pose. How is it that the so-called alleged superman of defections, the so-called most valuable defector, the so-called most damaging to Soviet aims, is not listed anywhere on any sites as being a traitor to his homeland? And, do you really buy into the argument that he was so well informed when he was a junior Major, who spent the majority of his brief KGB career posted keeping tabs on Russian emigres (Austria), that he somehow was so trusted so schooled in the most sensitive plans of the KGB and the Soviet Union even though the KGB is a very compartmentive secretive need-to-know based organization? How is it a CI guy knew so much about the activities of the First Directorate. A very closed society (1st Dir.) that would not have allowed said CI guy into their realm. The First directorate guys were the elite, they looked down on the others. The CI guys were the ones who did most of the oppressing/repressing. Can you answer these questions logically? Can you explain the total contradiction in his background versus his claims? Can you admit that Golitsyn is the only one who verifies his background? Don't you find that a little suspect? Do you realize Golitsyn laughs at you, his "useful idiots," who stir up the conspiracy theorists who buy his books who make him rich and give him legitimacy?
Koba, you still haven't got back to me re: my (partial) list of the Communist elite who run "Russia" from behind the scenes. What's the matter? Don't you know who these people are??? What do you think would happen to your safety if you were to do research on these people, write an article exposing them, and have it published in "Russia"? Once again, I am reposting the names for your convenience--TTS
"But the real Communist elite, beyond the obvious names like Putin and Primakov, consists of names like Igor Mintusov, Aleksandr Kazakov, Vyacheslav Nikonov, Georgii Satarov, Aleksandr Abramov, Aleksei Koshmarov, Aleksei Sitnikov, Dmitrii Levchik
Just to name a few. These are the people who run the political campaigns of those running for office. These high-level Communist operatives do not advertise their activities. If you are an elected official, you do what these people tell you or youre gone and/or dead."
I know who they are - look up Gazprom, RAO EhS, and other oil and power industries. FORMER communists and big time capitalist/power brokers now. I'll answer in detail when you answer about your boy Golytsin - you've seen my questions posted several times, but you just can't answer them can you?
Aha, so you are a Western businessman who has been personally involved in dealing with the "democratized" Russia. Very interesting indeed. Yup, you've got no bias. No dog in this hunt. No siree.
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