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"The heads of the family has been separated from their bodies at their home at Jersey"
Jihadwatch ^

Posted on 01/24/2005 4:17:46 AM PST by velocityguy

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To: the invisib1e hand
A). Doesn't matter what I believe, the rule of just law prevails.

If the rule of law truly prevailed, 9/11 wouldn'thave happened.

B). A casual reading of the Old Testament could lead one to conclude that Judaism condones genocide.

An academic question, unless you happen to be the last living Girgashite, Amorite or Jebusite tribesman.

The Third Reich used selective interpretations of Christian teaching to justify the Holocaust.

What a silly statement. The Third Reich never officially admitted that the Holocaust was occurring, let alone publicly cited theological arguments to justify it.

The philosophical and operational directors of the Holocaust, Nazi theoretician Alfred Rosenberg, SS commander Heinrich Himmler, SS commander Reinhardt Heydrich and the dictator himself were all anti-Christians who in some cases openly embraced paganism.

And of course, Islam is not being "used" by some external entity hostile to Islam and bent on discrediting Islam.

Islamic theologians and devout Muslims of all nationalities and theological traditions are advocating mass murder and genocide and the founder of Islam, Mohammed, was a man who actually put whole tribes to the sword in person.

41 posted on 01/24/2005 2:44:43 PM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I'm speaking for myself. If that's a problem for you, that is your problem. so long.

What kind of pathetic excuse for an answer is "I'm speaking for myself?" You made several assertions, none of which can stand up to the scrutiny of a third grader with ADD, and all you've got to say is "I'm speaking for myself?"

You were NOT speaking for yourself! As I recall, you were trying to assert a sophomoric relativity argument that puts Christianity on the same moral plane as islam, and then you tried to do the same thing with Judaism. Of course the only way one can do that is to be completely ignorant of all three religions.

I'd love to take you up on your wager on how to read islamic doctrine, but no doubt with your broad mindedness, intellectual integrity, and tenacious research habits you'd welsh on it anyway.

42 posted on 01/24/2005 3:58:42 PM PST by papertyger (Nothing is so "black and white" it can't be made gray...if you "spin" it hard enough.)
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To: velocityguy
I have to restrain myself from making a huge banner proclaiming that muslims did this and going and hanging it in front of the victims' home.

It just disturbs me no end ot think the MUSLIMS who did this are running free. SO frustrating to have to wait for police to come up with something solid.......


43 posted on 01/24/2005 6:01:58 PM PST by Selkie (You can argue 'til you're blue in the face, but I'll always be right.)
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To: Wormwood

Not if you're an NJ Freeper like me.
And I live a mile from the crime scene so it does bother me since Im outspoken about Islam.
I'd rather move home to PA. where one can have firearms very easily.


44 posted on 01/24/2005 6:04:20 PM PST by Selkie (You can argue 'til you're blue in the face, but I'll always be right.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

that, I will wager, constitutes a very sophomoric read of the doctrine.

It can be argued that Christianity teaches the killing of unbelievers, but no Christian with any sense would call it Christian doctrine.

I've heard the Koran quotes that are usually cited to support the radical view, btw.
>>>>>>

Youve heard Koran quotes ? Go read the book before making your pronouncements.
I've read and studied the Koran (3 different versions) and did reports on it for my education.
Read it long before 9/11.
I come from an ultra liberal academic family and they were surprised at my pronouncement that it contains so much evil.
Then when a couple of them read it straight thru they were shocked and agreed with me.
The koran is mixed with truth and beauty and hatred and evil.
Which makes is pure work of the devil himself.
Mixing truth with lies.


And you have said the PREPOSTEROUS thing ever said on free republic.
YOUR WORDS "It can be argued that Christianity teaches the killing of unbelievers."

When you pick up the koran and read it I also suggest you read The New Testament for the first time too.

::rolls eyes in back of head::


45 posted on 01/24/2005 6:15:56 PM PST by Selkie (You can argue 'til you're blue in the face, but I'll always be right.)
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The Koran's 111 Jihad Verses
46 posted on 01/24/2005 6:27:14 PM PST by DocRock
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To: papertyger
I was in a bit of a hurry when I replied last, and so I'm going to take just a few seconds to clarify something.

I made an assertion. You took exception to it. I clarified my rationale. And your response begins with words like "hubris?"

the first rule of the contest of wits is this: when they insult you, they're finished.

none of the issues you raise counter me directly; instead, you try to pull intellectual rank, further indicative of the weakness of your position. I take no pleasure in parrying reason with rage.

47 posted on 01/24/2005 6:30:57 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (Leftists Are Losers.)
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To: Wormwood
90% of freepers are armed and pissed off.

Damn straight. I know I am.

48 posted on 01/24/2005 6:34:37 PM PST by 6323cd ("It is prohibited to make use of such emotional signs in a cellphone!")
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To: boxerblues

I believe Political Correctness is a sign of dimentia.


49 posted on 01/24/2005 6:36:24 PM PST by Dashing Dasher ("If guns kill people, I can blame misspelled words on my pencil." (Larry the Cable Guy))
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To: boxerblues

I believe Political Correctness is a sign of dimentia.


50 posted on 01/24/2005 6:36:24 PM PST by Dashing Dasher ("If guns kill people, I can blame misspelled words on my pencil." (Larry the Cable Guy))
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To: velocityguy

When we first heard of this horrific murder --- how many of us thought it was anything but the muslims behind it?


51 posted on 01/24/2005 10:17:27 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Selkie
Not if you're an NJ Freeper like me. And I live a mile from the crime scene so it does bother me since Im outspoken about Islam. I'd rather move home to PA. where one can have firearms very easily.

You have my sympathies FRiend. I'm originally from northern DE, and wild horses couldn't drag me back to a state where they'd rather you die than present an administrative problem like justifiable homicide. If it weren't for "reciprocity" with PA, I'd never get to visit family in the area.

52 posted on 01/25/2005 3:10:16 AM PST by papertyger (Nothing is so "black and white" it can't be made gray...if you "spin" it hard enough.)
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To: Dashing Dasher
I believe Political Correctness is a sign of dimentia.

double postings are another sign :)
53 posted on 01/25/2005 4:50:12 AM PST by boxerblues
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To: the invisib1e hand
I was in a bit of a hurry when I replied last, and so I'm going to take just a few seconds to clarify something.

Spare us the vapid prevarications. You threw your two cents into a discussion where the ante is measured in dollars. Now you're trying to preserve a measure of dignity you don't deserve.

the first rule of the contest of wits is this: when they insult you, they're finished.

Do you store these half-witted aphorisms in your poop chute for easy access, or do you just make them up at need?

The first rule of ANY contest, wits or otherwise, is "have the ability to, in fact, contest!" You are being insulted because you presume to contest issues you not only admit self-imposed ignorance of, but brag on the moral superiority of that ignorance because you've invented a rule that says "knowing nothing of islam, and giving the benefit of doubt is superior to knowing something of islam, and forming an opinion."

Furthermore, if I'm "finished," why have you not answered a single one of my numerous questions?

No, you are attempting to declare victory, and run away, just as soon as you can do so with your dignity intact. Unfortunately for you that's no longer an option. I will continue to dissect your chattering until you skulk away from the discussion, tail to legs.

none of the issues you raise counter me directly; instead, you try to pull intellectual rank, further indicative of the weakness of your position. I take no pleasure in parrying reason with rage.

Everything I've written challenges you directly! If my position is so weak, why have you not answered a single question, but rather attempted to derail any useful discussion into a "you say tomato, I say tomahto" pastiche?

You may take no pleasure in parrying, but it's obviously all you've got.

I on the other hand, do not suffer fools easily... particularly when their foolishness serves to weaken the defensive posture my fellow Americans *should* be adopting.

This is not a frickin' TV show, where everything turn out fine when we all learn to get along! You want to make it a morality play for "tolerance." These barbarians have been slaughtering their rivals for well over a thousand years, and the only thing that kept them in check for the last three hundred is the technological superiority of the west.

In case you haven't noticed, we've shared much of that superiority with them, assuming the long peace meant they wanted peace too when what they really were doing was avoiding a challenge that would lead to defeat. Immediately after the first defeat of a modern army at the hands of islamic forces (the Russians in Afghanistan) in hundreds of years, those same soldiers started laying the groundwork to resume the expansion of islam by the sword... just as their forebears did.

If you want to avoid rage, learn to use "reason" instead of invoking it like some magic incantation to transform your ignorance into insight.

54 posted on 01/25/2005 5:46:46 AM PST by papertyger (Nothing is so "black and white" it can't be made gray...if you "spin" it hard enough.)
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To: USF; Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; ariamne; Former Dodger; fastattacksailor; broadsword

No surprises here ping!


55 posted on 01/25/2005 6:42:17 AM PST by jan in Colorado (To defeat the enemy, you must first KNOW the enemy and then destroy it!)
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To: Selkie
The koran is mixed with truth and beauty and hatred and evil.
Which makes is pure work of the devil himself.
Mixing truth with lies.

I've never seen it summarized more eloquently.

BTTT

56 posted on 01/25/2005 7:02:45 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: skeeter

bttt


57 posted on 01/25/2005 7:20:11 AM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: jan in Colorado

Thanks for the "update" ping Jan. ;o)


58 posted on 01/25/2005 8:05:14 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: USF; jan in Colorado
The heads of the family have been separated from their bodies (they have been beheaded) at their home at Jersey

This is the first I have heard about beheadings...what about you guys?

59 posted on 01/25/2005 9:00:10 AM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies
Yes, DS, this is the first I have heard of this.

One the one hand, it is very possible, because that is the MO of this type of execution slaying...remember who did this?

On the other hand, you can't take anything you read or hear too seriously. There are many inaccurate reports, and rumors, and as I have posted before, you are lucky if 50% of what you read or hear is the truth.

During an active investigation, the investigators are NEVER going to release all the pertinent information, so take all you hear with a little skepticism.

No matter what is reported, we know why this happened, the only question is, will it ever be revealed.

The silence of the MSM is outrageous and also tells us more than we want to know!

Lt. Colombo reporting for duty.
60 posted on 01/25/2005 9:26:16 AM PST by jan in Colorado (To defeat the enemy, you must first KNOW the enemy and then destroy it!)
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