Posted on 01/24/2005 4:17:46 AM PST by velocityguy
"The heads of the family has been separated from their bodies (they have been beheaded) at their home at Jersey" The message below has appeared in Arabic on a Muslim bulletin board. (Thanks to Kemaste for the link, and Ali Sina for arranging for the translation.)
In The Name Of Allah the Most Gracious The Most Merciful The Honourable Brothers/ Peace upon You
Under the title Muslim-Christian boil over N.J
The Associated Press wrote about the incidents that happened in the New Jersey of America after the Muslims killed a Christian American family from an Egyptian origin after an article wrote by the deceased on the internet that demonized Islam.
The heads of the family have been separated from their bodies (they have been beheaded) at their home at Jersey.
The father Hosam Armanosy 47 The mother Amal Qaras 37 Their daughters Silvia 15 and Monica 8
During the funeral yesterday the Christians carried banners that condemn the operation and demonize Islam which led to clashes between Christians and Muslims, estimated at 35 people by the police and the police separated between the two parties for fear of injuries.
Under the banner Welcome Bin Laden carried by a Christian, it praised Christians of more bloodshed at the hands of Bin Laden Supporters of Muslim Americans.
The good planting has started to yield thank Allah and soon, Allah willing, an intense Islamic revolution all across America that holds the right and bring down the falsehood that theyve created.
Bushie Bushie you have no exit, youre surrounded with the hatred that youve planted.
Allah, please, bring victory to Muslims on earth east and west oh your almighty and wisdom amen.
Plus a summary of reply messages:
The remaining messages support the slaughter, except for one that asked if the daughters deserved the same and was answered by the writer of the main message by saying that she was one of the worst on Pal Talk. Another reply said that they should wait for the head of Al-Azhar University in Cairo to say his word about the daughters (ironically after the massacre took place.
All this supports the idea, for which evidence is mounting (in complete contrast to published reports), that this was a religiously motivated crime.
However, it conflicts with other information that I have that I am unable to publish at this time -- information that also points to a religiously motivated crime, perpetrated by Muslims against Christians whom they believed had offended Islam. However, at this point extreme caution is essential. I think some important information should come to light very soon.
If the rule of law truly prevailed, 9/11 wouldn'thave happened.
B). A casual reading of the Old Testament could lead one to conclude that Judaism condones genocide.
An academic question, unless you happen to be the last living Girgashite, Amorite or Jebusite tribesman.
The Third Reich used selective interpretations of Christian teaching to justify the Holocaust.
What a silly statement. The Third Reich never officially admitted that the Holocaust was occurring, let alone publicly cited theological arguments to justify it.
The philosophical and operational directors of the Holocaust, Nazi theoretician Alfred Rosenberg, SS commander Heinrich Himmler, SS commander Reinhardt Heydrich and the dictator himself were all anti-Christians who in some cases openly embraced paganism.
And of course, Islam is not being "used" by some external entity hostile to Islam and bent on discrediting Islam.
Islamic theologians and devout Muslims of all nationalities and theological traditions are advocating mass murder and genocide and the founder of Islam, Mohammed, was a man who actually put whole tribes to the sword in person.
What kind of pathetic excuse for an answer is "I'm speaking for myself?" You made several assertions, none of which can stand up to the scrutiny of a third grader with ADD, and all you've got to say is "I'm speaking for myself?"
You were NOT speaking for yourself! As I recall, you were trying to assert a sophomoric relativity argument that puts Christianity on the same moral plane as islam, and then you tried to do the same thing with Judaism. Of course the only way one can do that is to be completely ignorant of all three religions.
I'd love to take you up on your wager on how to read islamic doctrine, but no doubt with your broad mindedness, intellectual integrity, and tenacious research habits you'd welsh on it anyway.
It just disturbs me no end ot think the MUSLIMS who did this are running free. SO frustrating to have to wait for police to come up with something solid.......
Not if you're an NJ Freeper like me.
And I live a mile from the crime scene so it does bother me since Im outspoken about Islam.
I'd rather move home to PA. where one can have firearms very easily.
that, I will wager, constitutes a very sophomoric read of the doctrine.
It can be argued that Christianity teaches the killing of unbelievers, but no Christian with any sense would call it Christian doctrine.
I've heard the Koran quotes that are usually cited to support the radical view, btw.
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Youve heard Koran quotes ? Go read the book before making your pronouncements.
I've read and studied the Koran (3 different versions) and did reports on it for my education.
Read it long before 9/11.
I come from an ultra liberal academic family and they were surprised at my pronouncement that it contains so much evil.
Then when a couple of them read it straight thru they were shocked and agreed with me.
The koran is mixed with truth and beauty and hatred and evil.
Which makes is pure work of the devil himself.
Mixing truth with lies.
And you have said the PREPOSTEROUS thing ever said on free republic.
YOUR WORDS "It can be argued that Christianity teaches the killing of unbelievers."
When you pick up the koran and read it I also suggest you read The New Testament for the first time too.
::rolls eyes in back of head::
I made an assertion. You took exception to it. I clarified my rationale. And your response begins with words like "hubris?"
the first rule of the contest of wits is this: when they insult you, they're finished.
none of the issues you raise counter me directly; instead, you try to pull intellectual rank, further indicative of the weakness of your position. I take no pleasure in parrying reason with rage.
Damn straight. I know I am.
I believe Political Correctness is a sign of dimentia.
I believe Political Correctness is a sign of dimentia.
When we first heard of this horrific murder --- how many of us thought it was anything but the muslims behind it?
You have my sympathies FRiend. I'm originally from northern DE, and wild horses couldn't drag me back to a state where they'd rather you die than present an administrative problem like justifiable homicide. If it weren't for "reciprocity" with PA, I'd never get to visit family in the area.
Spare us the vapid prevarications. You threw your two cents into a discussion where the ante is measured in dollars. Now you're trying to preserve a measure of dignity you don't deserve.
the first rule of the contest of wits is this: when they insult you, they're finished.
Do you store these half-witted aphorisms in your poop chute for easy access, or do you just make them up at need?
The first rule of ANY contest, wits or otherwise, is "have the ability to, in fact, contest!" You are being insulted because you presume to contest issues you not only admit self-imposed ignorance of, but brag on the moral superiority of that ignorance because you've invented a rule that says "knowing nothing of islam, and giving the benefit of doubt is superior to knowing something of islam, and forming an opinion."
Furthermore, if I'm "finished," why have you not answered a single one of my numerous questions?
No, you are attempting to declare victory, and run away, just as soon as you can do so with your dignity intact. Unfortunately for you that's no longer an option. I will continue to dissect your chattering until you skulk away from the discussion, tail to legs.
none of the issues you raise counter me directly; instead, you try to pull intellectual rank, further indicative of the weakness of your position. I take no pleasure in parrying reason with rage.
Everything I've written challenges you directly! If my position is so weak, why have you not answered a single question, but rather attempted to derail any useful discussion into a "you say tomato, I say tomahto" pastiche?
You may take no pleasure in parrying, but it's obviously all you've got.
I on the other hand, do not suffer fools easily... particularly when their foolishness serves to weaken the defensive posture my fellow Americans *should* be adopting.
This is not a frickin' TV show, where everything turn out fine when we all learn to get along! You want to make it a morality play for "tolerance." These barbarians have been slaughtering their rivals for well over a thousand years, and the only thing that kept them in check for the last three hundred is the technological superiority of the west.
In case you haven't noticed, we've shared much of that superiority with them, assuming the long peace meant they wanted peace too when what they really were doing was avoiding a challenge that would lead to defeat. Immediately after the first defeat of a modern army at the hands of islamic forces (the Russians in Afghanistan) in hundreds of years, those same soldiers started laying the groundwork to resume the expansion of islam by the sword... just as their forebears did.
If you want to avoid rage, learn to use "reason" instead of invoking it like some magic incantation to transform your ignorance into insight.
No surprises here ping!
I've never seen it summarized more eloquently.
BTTT
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Thanks for the "update" ping Jan. ;o)
This is the first I have heard about beheadings...what about you guys?
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