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To: Jon Alvarez
Oh bull. Graner is a sadist who violated his orders and the rules of common decency. He wasn't convicted for using legitimate "stress techniques" to get information out of terrorists. He was convicted of grotesquely abusing prisoners under his authority. This was probably his fantasy as a guard in his normal job as a US prison guard.

The only rationale for pardoning him is if you assume that higher ups did, in fact, order him to do the stupid things he did. I don't buy that. That is Michael Moore's argument.

He is not an interrogator dealing with terrorists with critical info we need to get. He is a low life jailer abusing those under his authority. He doesn't deserve any consideration.

4 posted on 01/17/2005 10:48:16 AM PST by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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To: Phsstpok; Poohbah

I was going to reply to this, but I have little to add to your comments. The harm done to America by his actions is incalculable, and any putative benefit from "softening-up" the prisoners non-existent. His actions might have recruited some of the people setting off bombs and killing Iraquis and Americans today. Ten years might be light for the harm done.


10 posted on 01/17/2005 10:55:12 AM PST by MainFrame65
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To: Phsstpok
The only rationale for pardoning him is if you assume that higher ups did, in fact, order him to do the stupid things he did. I don't buy that

If you want that defence to fly, you have to have a better case than "I was told to do this by some guy. We called him Big Steve"

24 posted on 01/17/2005 11:48:59 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (here to help)
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To: Phsstpok
Graner is a sadist

More sadists and fewer lawyers and we might have a shot at winning this mess.
41 posted on 01/18/2005 12:08:34 AM PST by jaykay
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