DUmmie FUnnies 12-29-04 (Pied Piper Pitt Does Gandalf The Wizard Impression)

Pied Piper Pitt, aka William RIVERS Pitt, after having his promise of something WONDERFUL happening on Monday (after the snow dog ate his homework last week) go up in smoke, is now trying to change the subject and cheer on the DUmmies with a dopey pep talk as we can see in this Dummie THREAD titled, “This is a great time to be alive.” This posting follows on the heels of a dopey story that Pied Piper Pitt posted yesterday about some guy who is a milkman who tries to be a dogcatcher (or was it the other way around or was it garbage man instead of a milkman). In any event yesterday’s milkman-dogcatcher (or whatever) story was so obscurely ridiculous that even most of the DUmmies refused to be influenced by it (if they could even figure out what the story meant). So today, Pied Piper Pitt, has come back with another story, obviously influenced by watching the Lord of the Rings a few times too many. The REAL purpose of today’s silly story isn’t to rally the DUmmies. It is to make them forget that Pitt in his role as a political carnie barker did not come up with the goods at his circus sideshow. The Kerry signature on the insignificant legal filing by the Greens and the Libertarians got next to no press coverage with the sole exception of Keith Olbermann who pretty much discounted its importance. Therefore, Pied Piper Pitt has donned a Lord of the Rings costume and is trying to play a heroic tune on his pipe. Unfortunately, the Pied Piper Pitt’s pipe keeps hitting sour notes that don’t ring true. So YOWZA, YOWZA, ladies and gentlemen! Welcome to the DUmmie circus sideshow act! Step right into the tent and watch the Pied Piper Pitt do his AMAZING cheerleader act! Pitt’s performance and the DUmmie cheers (and heckling) are in Bolshevik Red while the review of your humble correspondent, critiquing Pitt’s act, is in the [brackets]:

This is a great time to be alive. Ask yourself: What kind of time would you like to live in?

[A kind of time like right now when the DUmmies, after having gloated excessively on Election Day when the believed the phony exit polls giving the victory to Kerry, had their Champaign go stale on them when the actual results came in. They then proceeded to provide us with great comedic entertainment by vainly trying to prove non-existent vote fraud while engaging in extreme fantasies of Kerry being inaugurated in January. (The “I Believe” threads are among my faves although Pied Piper Pitt’s performances are up there too.) In any event, please proceed with your latest pipe fluting Pitt…]

Would you like to live in a time with no great question, no great struggle, no great contest? I do not believe in Utopia, in a world of peace, because men are men and testosterone is addictive, and because power must always be held by someone and will therefore corrupt absolutely. But there have been times when people have only had to worry about their immediate surroundings, about their lawn or their crop or whether the King will conscript them to go fight the enemy across the sea. There is a peace in this, a peace in being absolutely powerless. Would you like to live in that time?

[It sounds like Pitt is doing a Gandalf the Wizard impression here trying to rally the DUmmie Hobbits against the dark forces of Gondor. Proceed, Pitt, this is getting funnier and funnier…]

Or would you prefer to live in a time where a great question is before you, where there is a great struggle, where there is a great contest? The gamble here is the slim, good, or certain chance of absolute defeat. Being involved at all means you have power, you have a say, you can determine the fate of the planet beyond the reach of your arm. Being involved means you must face the consequences of involvement, be there defeat or victory. Any wise person will tell you of the hazards to be found down either path, each hazard being equally deadly. Winning can be worse than losing, though both are in play.

[The fate of Middle Earth is in your hands, DUmmie Hobbits. Rally to your great Wizard, Pied Piper Pitt. And speaking of the latter, please continue with your Gandalf the Wizard impression…]

[We DUmmie Hobbits are with you Oh mighty Gandalf! Please finish your uplifting speech on a high note…]

I say this is a great time to be alive, and if defeat is to come, then let it find me on my feet, and not on my knees.

[YES! YES! We shall follow you into the Land of Gondor to Mount Doom where we shall fight the Freeper Orcs for in the Final Battle for control of the Middle Earth!]

Right on, William!!! and nothing is truly valued unless we fight for it!!! Winning back our Constitution and many other things will be well worth it ...

I remember seeing you on CSpan and thinking what a great speech you made.Within two days you posted a drunken screed bitching at DUers because they weren't acting like you wanted them to.You have done this repeatedly over the years Will,and you know it.Within the last couple of weeks you ran up to GD04 and called it a shitty swampo,and that this was the place where things were getting done.You ride the high horse continuously,but I've seen some of your emails to others and you're one of the nastiest people around if one isn't a groupie-like sycophant sucking up to you.

[You lousy Elf! How dare you cast aspersions upon the Great Gandalf, aka Pied Piper Pitt! For this act of HERESY I hereby revoke your powers of (almost) Eternal Life!]

As for the 'sycophant' stuff, that is nonsense. I get my ass kicked on this forum on a daily basis, because I participate in a way you have never approached. If I was interested in attacking people because they didn't agree with me, I'd have to quit my job and no nothing but respond to that. And again, since we're being honest here, I suggest you find a mirror. The post of yours above is the longest thing I have seen you write on this forum since you showed up. 95% of your posts are one-line snark attacks, hit and run bullshit that does nothing but cause trouble and hurt feelings. I've written 500 words to your one on this forum, and if some of those words have been ill-chosen, well, that's the result of having the balls to do more than snipe and flee.

You're getting a slice of fame,and like many you seem torn on how to act.I suspect you just want to be yourself and have a snarky exchange now and then,but then you also seem to want people to take your writing seriously.Unfortunately you're trying to both to the same audience,and it's something that rarely worksd for anyone.I've seen it happen to a close friend who is very popular in music right now.It's not a postion I'd wish to be in myself.I might be acting the same way.Contrary to what you think I hope you can find a balance between the two that's acceptable to you and your fans.

[Don’t discourage Pied Piper Pitt. It’s FUN to watch him do the Gandalf the Wizard impression.]

I am about to crack 30,000 posts. I've been here since May of 2001. I have gone through a hundred evolutions in that time, regarding candidates, priorities, beliefs, hopes, fears, personal issues - had a marriage blow up on me while I was here, and the agony of that lasted more than a year - etc.

Look. I'm just another activist who happens to write well enough to get a message through. At some point I crossed a terminator and became a 'personality' here, and out there. For a long, long time, I fought it. I just wanted to post like any other DUer, to vent my spleen like anyone else and to be obnoxious like anyone else and to be contradictory like anyone else. This place was my security blanket, where I could freak out (!!!!111) and enjoy the catharsis.

In the last year I have forced myself to understand that I can't do that anymore, and believe me, it has been hard. When I came here, I was NOBODY, just another poster needing help and support. Sometimes I fail at it these days, but not nearly as much. You are right to say that I have been an ass here on many occasions, but a lot of people here are asses on many occasions, yourself included. I didn't want to deal with the added burden. I hope that makes sense.

[Hmm… I am VERY impressed, Pitt. Perhaps I underestimated you. Up until now I thought you were doing a Gandalf the Wizard impression but now you are sounding more like Aragorn. Must check my “Return of the King” references.]

I know I'm ass but nobody looks up to me for guidance (thank the Lord for that).Your trying to deal with that is exactly why the poster who inferred I was jealous is wrong.It's a sucky position that I dont wish on anyone,and one of the reasons I dont post long things.The day people start taking me seriously is the day I have to act it.Joking is my only mechanism for not just sticking my head in the oven and if it's ever taken from me I'm fucked.DU is still my catharsis,and I want it to stay that way. As for the marriage thing,I can sympathize.My wife left me last week ( I can't imagine why! I'm so lovable and easy to get along with lol).

[Most likely your wife couldn’t deal with your OBSESSION with an election that has been OVER for nearly 2 months.]

I wouldn't want to be in Will's place at all,ever. I feel that he defeats his own purpose by insulting people then trying to rally them then insulting them then trying to rally them ad nauseam. Trust me,it's been going on for years here.I honestly do respect Will's talent,but he does himself no favors by lurching back and forth between the rah rah stuff and the scolding.The scolding and rude posts detract from from his good stuff and turns off many of the same people he wants to help,and who otherwise might help him.He's one person playing both the good cop and the bad cop.

[When Pitt is in his scolding mode, he sounds more like Gimli the Dwarf. However, I find his Gandalf the Wizard shtick much more entertaining!]

You know Will, I owe you a debt of gratitude. Back about two years ago, I was going totally nuts trying to figure out the reasoning behind going into Iraq. I spend days non-stop on the computer, trying to figure it out. One of those days I came upon an article you wrote about how you could possibly explain the whole thing to your daughter, how the neo-cons had hijacked the administration and their philosophy and background. It was the first piece of the puzzle that I found that made a bit of sense to me about the whole thing. You've been helping me and others try to make sense of the whole thing ever since. Keep up the good work, you have the gift of a voice that reaches people and shines some light of the truth into the darkness.

To die with the illusion intact is musical chairs. Sooner or later the music stops, and somebody's kids wind up standing there with nowhere to go. That seems to be our lot, and we can either be bitter about it or fight it. That's all I'm saying.

[Hmm… I need to check to find if the inspiration for this quote was in “The Fellowship of the Ring” or “The Two Towers.”]

I would prefer to live in a world where the future is secure. I would prefer to live in a world where our children are not drafted into unholy wars, and where faith and trust in our government is still warranted. Alas, we must play the hand that we are dealt and it appears that history is calling upon us. While I do not welcome this fight, I will not shirk from it. I stand with those battling for truth and freedom. I am in for the long fight, because I feel there is no other choice. It is a great time to reflect on exactly what being an American really means and what we are willing to sacrifice to preserve this Nation and our freedom.

At no time in history has the future been secure. It has never happened. Ever. The differential has been, simply, whether the people have been aware of that or not. The Romans felt secure, and then Honorius saw the Visigoths come over the seventh hill. The walls of Troy lent a feeling of security, until Hector fell.

"I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened." Films can be instructive. Oh yeah, books, too.

[And if anybody thinks my comparison of Pied Piper Pitt to Gandalf the Wizard is mere hyperbole, I present Pitt’s own quote above as evidence to the contrary.]

"The day may come when mankind is beaten and humbled and has no will to stand. But that day is not THIS day. THIS day we FIGHT!"

[Anybody out there know the source of this LOTR quote? I’m not quite the expert on LOTR that Pied Piper Pitt or this DUmmie Hobbit appear to be.]

"Always after a defeat and a respite, the Shadow takes another shape and grows again." "I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do the the time that is given us. And already, Frodo, our time is beginning to look black. The Enemy is fast becoming very strong. His plans are far from ripe, I think, but they are ripening. We shall be hard put to it. We should be very hard put to it, even it it were not for this dreadful chance."

We are blessed in a weird sort of way to have had the illusion removed. We are part of the reality based community and that is a good thing. Of course, it took me seven years of therapy to embrace the realities, inner and outer.

Bush has enveloped the world in a Cult of Death. Many will suffer and many will die. Every day that I can survive is a sort-of-great-day. Utopia is what the Cult of Death is now offering. Most people in this country have no idea of what we are talking about. Sad, really sad.

[George Bush as Saruman? But wouldn’t that role be more proper for Karl Rove?]

A little romantic and melodramatic don't you think.....The idea of being alive during great struggle may be a romantic and attractive notion but I don't necessarily agree that being involved means "you have power", "you have a say" and "can determine the fate of the planet". That's a bit melodramatic isn't it?

Here are some classic examples of Pied Piper Pitt melting down in a not so inspirational fashion as well as representing the full spectrum of nuttiness this goofball has inhabited. Also, notice the bizarre inspirational style which I think he lifts by watching sci-fi or other movies:

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WilliamPitt (15402 posts)
Sep-18-02, 04:48 PM (ET)
The political ignorance of the Dem-bashing squad on DU

Hard-core title line, I know, and a blanket statement that does not pertain to everyone on this board who has hard words for the Democrats. Someone once told me that marketing is about putting butts in the seats. Now that my title line has put your but in this seat, read on and see if any of this resonates with you.
1. We here at DU are not, in any way, representative of the mainstream in American politics today. That's just the way it is. So when the Democrats do not do what we want them to do, understand that they are doing what the vast majority of the mainstream within the party wants them to do. The majority, for example, wants a Homeland Security Department...and let us not forget that the first person to publicly endorse and speak of that idea as policy was a fellow named Albert Gore, Jr.

2. There has been a vast amount of moaning, wailing, rending of clothing and gnashing of teeth in the last 24 hours because Tom Daschle and John Kerry, among other Dems, have said they are supportive of Bush regarding war on Iraq. Daschle has even gone so far as to say a vote for this will come before the election.

Doom, right? Let's all just nip off and shoot ourselves, right?

Um...

Here's the deal.

The press people who handle ALL elected officials are the most important people in any Congressional office, for obvious reasons. None of them, NONE OF THEM, will allow their politician to say anything in public that might possibly seem to be against 9/11 issues or the war on terror. Like it, lump it, but the vast majority of the country is not nearly over that shit, and the media isn't helping them, and so any politician who seems to be against anything that has to do with 9/11 is asking to get their throats cut.

This is realpolitik, and if it sucks, blame your parents and your grandparents ad nauseam and et cetera, because it has been like this since Machiavelli went looking for a job.

The real deal, however is this: The Dems may be vocal about supporting Bush, but as my editor at Truthout phrased it, they speaketh with forked tongue. What will happen is the following, as simple as day - they will call for a referendum, and they will say Congressional support for war on Iraq will come IF AND ONLY IF the United Nations is on board in the same fashion.

Anyone reading the news today, after Hussein's offer to send the inspectors in, know that the UN is in chaos because of it, and the Bush crew has been desperately trying to react. They got a gift with this, if they truly wanted to disarm Saddam and keep everyone safe. But they don't want that. They want war, period, and Iraq's offer has screwed up any near-term chance that the UN will get behind it.

So there it is, yo. These fellows in the Democratic Party have their problems, sure. But they are not nearly as stupid as some here would say. I think we need to keep the hari kari knives on a high shelf until further notice. Some excitable DUers might cut themselves before the lights come on completely upon the playing field.

But that's just my 2 cents. Apologies if I offended with my title line. Just trying to get the message out.

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WilliamPitt (15402 posts)
Oct-07-02, 07:34 PM (ET)
The Democratic Party has finally lost me

With a few notable exceptions, Democrats in the Senate appear prepared to give George W. Bush everything he wants regarding war with Iraq. No matter that a vast majority of Americans do not want this war, no matter that the case for war has not been made, no matter that the international community repudiates such action, and no matter that this push for war has been put forth by the White House in a cynical attempt to deflect public attention from gross mismanagement of the government, and away from the catastrophes within the business community. Democratic House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt surrendered last week, and Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle is preparing to lead GOP mouthpieces like Joe Lieberman in a total capitulation to Bush's plans.

For one, brief, shining moment two weeks ago, it appeared the Democrats would stand up to the incredibly dangerous program put forth by the Bush administration. Al Gore spoke publicly and caustically about Bush's ham-fisted handling of the economy, and the variety of ways war with Iraq will make the world a more dangerous place for America. Senators Byrd and Kennedy likewise excoriated the administration. Daschle stood in the well of the Senate and demanded an apology from Bush, after Bush flatly stated that Democrats did not care about the security of the United States. Byrd and Kennedy have since been hung out to dry, and Daschle has proven himself to be unworthy of the title of leader. His little temper tantrum at the podium is bitter dust in the mouths of every American who hoped that, finally, finally, the Democrats would make a stand.

Because these jellyfish cannot find within themselves the courage to be moral, because the truth is not in them, because they have decided to accept the spoon-fed poison of Karl Rove's Machiavellian disinformation campaign, it might serve any American who reads this to be reminded of the truth, and the stakes, in this matter.

There is no case for war in Iraq. There is no proof whatsoever that Saddam Hussein poses a threat to America or his neighbors. The marvelously absurd Catch-22 we have heard so often is that Hussein is a mortal threat, and yet will be a pushover in battle. There is no proof that Hussein retains any functional aspect of the chemical, biological or nuclear weapons programs that were totally dismantled and destroyed by the UNSCOM weapons inspectors from 1991 through 1998. Repeated attempts by the United Nations to reinsert more inspectors have been spurned by the Bush administration in favor of combat.

Back in 1991, when Hussein had vast stockpiles of these weapons, he did not use them when American forces were bulldozing through his country. When he fired SCUD missiles into Israel, there was no mustard gas or other chemical agent attached to the nose comes, and there could very well have been. The only time Saddam Hussein has used these weapons was during the 1980s, while in the paid employ of the American government under Reagan, which gave him most of the stuff in the first place. Should an American army arrive in downtown Baghdad, however, and should the dire rhetorical salvos of the Bush administration prove correct, American solders may come face to face with botulinin toxin. You can put Israel on the firing line right next to G.I. Joe.

The irony is rich, wretched and deadly: Hussein only used these weapons when he was a vassal of America, after receiving these weapons from America, never against Americans, and may only actually use them against America - if he still has them - if we invade.

The idea that Hussein has connections to al Qaeda terrorists is laughable; Hussein is a secular dictator who has crushed Islamic fundamentalism for 30 years. Bin Laden and al Qaeda despise him and want him dead. Hussein would sooner stick his face into a running chainsaw as give weapons of any kind to al Qaeda, because the end result of wither action would be the same.

The concept of bringing democracy to Iraq through war, proffered by the Bush administration, is a vomitous joke. Democracy in the western sense means majority rule, and the majority in Iraq is comprised of Shiite Muslims who are ideologically and theocratically aligned with the extremist mullas in Iran. The rest of the Iraqi population is comprised of Kurds, who will not be allowed to rule Iraq or anything else because of Turkey, and by the Sunnis, from whose vicious tribal politics came Saddam Hussein. Democracy in Iraq is a concept that terrifies our allies in the region, most notably Saudi Arabia. Given the fact that the House of Saud appears to have great management control over the House of Bush, it is profoundly unlikely that anything resembling democracy will ever come to exist in Iraq through this looming process. Whomever rules there after the 'regime change' will be as bad as Hussein, or worse.

Bush's resolution for war that is about to be swallowed whole by Congress speaks of making war on the "region," not just Iraq, thus giving him legal cover for total war upon the entire Middle East. This is the passionate dream of the extremist neo-conservative hawks within the Bush administration who are actually running American foreign policy and the War on Terror: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. Democratic Congressional leaders know these men, and know the dangers they represent, and yet appear fully capable of giving them a legal blessing to extend eternal war across the planet. George W. Bush is not running this government, and this war is not just about Iraq.

Should we attack Iraq with the purpose of removing Saddam Hussein, there will be no easy repeat of the Gulf War. American troops will face house-to-house combat in the streets of Baghdad, a city of five million people. One former combat general interviewed on a cable news station predicted the possibility of American casualties amounting to a battalion a day. In order to prosecute this urban war, Baghdad will have to be 'reduced' via aerial bombardment and artillery, which is likely to cause tens of thousands of civilian deaths. The resulting outrage – termed the 'Al Jazeera effect' after the Arabic news station that will broadcast the shattered bodies of Iraqi civilians all across the Middle East – will spawn new and more horrible terrorist attacks on our shores.

Last, but not least, it is painfully obvious to any clear-headed person that the Bush administration has pushed this war to shove Enron, Harken, Halliburton, Arthur Andersen and the woeful state of our economy and the stock market off the front pages and out of TV news rotation. Andrew Card, the White House Chief of Staff, looks at his President in terms of marketing. In fact, he was quoted last August as saying that the administration would not bring up war against Iraq at that point, because August is a bad time to introduce new products. They have succeeded beyond their wildest expectations.

By not pointing out this obvious and bloody tactic, the Democrats have almost completely guaranteed their doom in the midterm elections come November. Today, they say they wish to see this war vote through "to get the Iraq debate behind us," thus fundamentally misunderstanding the planet they exist on. The media will feast upon this coming war, and will report on nothing else. Democrats could walk on water and raise the dead out by the Lincoln Memorial, and the media would show old footage of the Gulf War and slobbering Republicans pounding the war drums. Bank it.

Let us remember a few other key facts, as long as we are skipping down memory lane. When the conservative Supreme Court intervened in the Florida recount, in defiance of every states-rights platitude ever spit from their tall seats, when they handed the election to Bush based upon a dizzying twisting of constitutional law, Congressional Democrats rolled over and died. Only the Black Caucus stood tall in the aftermath, walking out of the chamber as the disaster was sealed with legislative wax. The Democrats overwhelmingly voted for the PATRIOT Anti-Terror Act, perhaps the most fundamentally contra-constitutional piece of legislation since the Alien and Sedition Act. There have been gut-checks upon gut-checks for these 'leaders,' and they have failed time and again. When Mr. Bush says "Frog," they jump. Period.

Now, we have this.

I have for my entire life been a Democrat. My parents came of age with the rousing words of John F. Kennedy ringing in their ears, and I was given their passionate liberalism with mother's milk. Mine has never been a starry-eyed liberalism; I voted for Clinton twice, and Gore once, both times without regret. Whichever way my own personal views have tended, I have always been a pragmatist when it comes to elections and politics. Win first, I have always said, and hope that the issues I believe passionately in will find their way into the policy realm. I have been feasting on half a loaf for years, and have never cried for my empty stomach.

That is all finished now. You may now call me a Street Democrat. I am unrepresented by the leadership of the party to which I have always given my loyalty. Accordingly, I have, and will continue, to take my opposition out onto the streets and news stands and bookstore shelves of America. I was in downtown Boston protesting Bush last Friday, I will be in Washington on October 26th for the massive anti-war rally that will be taking place, and I will be out on those streets at every opportunity. My leadership has failed, and I am forced to do their jobs for them. I am not interested in electoral gamesmanship, pragmatism or being a good party man any more. My essential core of ethics have been battered and bruised by the Democratic leadership for years. I have always accepted that half a loaf, and never cried for my empty stomach. No more. Not on this one.

Today, for the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be a Democrat.

Know this well, you fools. I am not alone in my disdain. Americans have been so badly abused by the process of politics in this country that more than half of them now refuse to vote. The rest wander the streets of this nation like Diogenes with his lamp, looking only for one honest man. The closer you cuddle to this administration, the farther you remove yourselves from your duties as the loyal opposition, the less of a distinction you offer to an American voting public desperate for leadership that knows what is right, and knows what it is doing.

Perhaps you have some master plan in the works. Perhaps you will take the dangerous words and intentions weaved through the Bush resolution for War on Iraq and turn it against him. Perhaps it only seems like you have left great men like Senator Byrd hanging out to dry. Perhaps there are wheels within wheels in this matter. I have always trusted you, always believed there was more than one game afoot. I do not believe it anymore, and woe unto you because of it. If you have lost me, you can be damned sure that you lost millions of others before me. I am the bitter end of your support, and I am finished with your farcical excuse for leadership.

Remember one last thing before you trundle into the chamber and sell us all down the river. The Democratic Party was virtually annihilated the last time it made a bad decision about a war. History may well record the coming debacle in Iraq as a Bush war, but I will remember you. I will never forgive, and I will never forget.

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WilliamPitt (15402 posts)
Oct-08-02, 09:09 PM (ET)
A Ronin Democrat is still a Democrat.

I am a Ronin Democrat - a fighter who lives by the code, but calls no man or woman master. I feel utterly betrayed by the leadership of this Congress, and I cannot in good conscience equivocate for them any more.
But I am still a Democrat. I am not a Green, or a socialist, or a communist, or a libertarian, or anything else. I am a Democrat. My lodestars are JFK, FDR and HST, in that order.

Some people are probably going to see this as some sort of betrayal of what I posted last night. I don't care, and won't buy it if they try try to sell it. I am a Democrat who cannot abide the leadership of the Democratic party as it stands. The principles - the code - is still in my heart, and will always be. I am Ronin, and my sword is true.

The election in November is the most important thing that will happen in any of our lives. If I were to allow my disgust with these Democratic yellow-bellies to keep me from the polls, or to keep me from voting Democrat in that election, I will have fulfilled the endgame chapter in this story. I will have given everything over to Bush and his people.

This must not happen.

I am Ronin. I call no man master, because I see no one worthy of my sword. But I will not allow the barbarians to burn my nation to the ground. Bush and his ilk are the barbarians. What some will call a compromise, I call warfare - complete and total warfare. I will use these bastard Democrats to defeat Bush and his people, I will use them like battering rams to drive Bush from governmental control, and then I will take my sword and wreak a terrible vengeance upon any Democrat who dares defy the principles I live by.

The Democrats are not moral, not ethical, not dependable. They are, however, a convenient weapon to be used in this fight. Nothing is worse than Bush and his people, and I will use the Democrats to destroy them.

Then, I will destroy the Democrats, for they will be right in my sights.

I am a Ronin Democrat. My firsrt foe is Bush. I will use all political weapons available to strip him of power. On November 5th, my weapon will be the Democratic voting lever. On November 6th, God help any Democrat who betrays the code.

Is the fact that I am willing to puke on my shoes while voting Democrat, because I see Bush as a far greater threat, a betrayal? Or is it a wise warrior in action?

You tell me. I am a Ronin Democrat. Democrat. Never forget it, and never forget the Main Enemy. He must be defeated, and if the cost is a share of my honor, then so be it. He will go down, and voting Democrat will do it.

And damn them all.

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WilliamPitt (15402 posts)
Nov-11-02, 07:04 PM (ET)
All of you - each and every single one of you - can kiss my ass

You Greens who have come raving out to attack Democrats because you see throats bared for the cutting after Tuesday disgust me.
You Democrats who have reignited this fruitless, useless war against Greens nauseate me.

You liberals who blame moderates make me want to puke.

You moderates who blame liberals are a disgrace.

You partisan fools who have already targeted Democrats for political destruction before we even know the lay of the land in 2004 are shameful.

Wellstone was murdered. Prove it. Wellstone wasn't murdered. Prove it. The election was stolen. Prove it. The election wasn't stolen. Prove it. Be sure, at all times, to insult and denigrate and flame and be disgraceful self-destructive assh*les while you're at it.

Looking at this forum in the last week has proven one thing: As a movement, we are an absolute cluster-f*ck. Know what that means? That is Marine-speak for a series of disasters that lead to total catastrophe. That's DU, right here and right now. A total and complete cluster f*ck.

Republicans from sea to shining sea have probably been ignoring all their favorite internet porno sites all this week, choosing instead to pleasure themselves while reading what has been going on here. It has been that sexy for them to watch us eat ourselves whole.

Take a deep breath and flame away. You know I'm right.

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WilliamPitt (15402 posts)
Nov-24-02, 10:18 PM (ET)
The A#1 reason we need to get behind a moderate Democrat

Like everyone else, I have been tearing my guts out trying to figure out what we as Democrats/Progressives need to do about the aftermath of the 2002 election, the coming 2004 election, and this hard time that will come in between.
Like a lot of other people here, I feel in my heart of hearts that the Party needs to show its Leftward side more than they have, to eschew this right-centrist move that has disheartened the base and rendered the Party indistinguishable from the GOP in too many respects. I read that Ann Lewis interview the same as you.

BUT

I have also seen that Chuck Baldwin article (now up on truthout), and I have seen the Freeper threads where the goobers are freaking about the OHS. The resistance to the Bush administration among the rank-and-file Republicans is growing, and is growing angrier.

So what does this mean?

I fear to say it means this: We cannot abide a leftward shift for 2004 if we are to win. Elections are won and lost between the 40 yard lines, and all the people in between those hatch marks will not be willing to go hard left after four years of hard right/corporatism. The resistors within the GOP ranks absolutely will not go for that.

If we can field a moderate Democrat who, like Clinton, is able to control a majority of the base, and if that moderate Democrat can bring in half of those people within the 40 yard lines, and if that moderate Democrat can swing even a few of these pissed-off Republican voters, well then, we got us a winner.

That means the lefties like me don't get everything they want.

That means, no matter what else happens, the Party has to become more vocal in opposition.

That means a lot of us, myself included, are going to have to swallow some bile.

My heart says go left young man, but I am looking hard at these disenfranchised GOPers, and I am wondering if my heart knows what is right in this case. I don't know. I could be wrong. But this has given me pause.

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