Posted on 12/18/2004 11:04:39 AM PST by postitnews.com
Democratic Leaders Call on President Bush to Address Tax Simplification Now
Washington, D.C. -- House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following letter today from House Democratic leaders to President Bush on the need to act now on tax simplification. The President is meeting with his advisors today on the economy.
Text of the letter follows:
December 15, 2004
President George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, D.C. 20500
Dear Mr. President,
As we approach a new session of Congress, Democrats and Republicans agree that we must reform the tax code now. Recent statements by Administration officials indicate that you may postpone the appointment of a tax reform advisory panel and may delay sending Congress a proposal until 2006. We are writing to encourage you to act now so that tax reform can move us toward a system that is more fair, less complex, and that adequately funds the budget without perennial deficits.
Democrats are committed to the following principles:
Fairness: Tax reform must not result in tax increases on middle-income families, and we must uphold our commitment to progressive taxation. Millions of middle-income Americans are paying more than their fair share as a result of an overly complicated, loophole-ridden tax code. This tax burden will only increase as more families are ensnared by the...Read More
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Three too many words in title.
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Pretend you're a Democrat, if you will. Does the "Fair Tax" or the "Flat Tax" meet this criteria, from the POV of a Dem?
AUTOMATED PAYMENT TRANSACTION (APT) TAX
Taxation technology for the 21st century
Dr. Edgar L. Feige, Professor Emeritus of Economics from the University of Wisconsin-Madison and the originator of the APT Tax concept, has just produced new estimates suggesting that a broad-based transaction tax as low as six tenths of one percent could replace the entire Federal and State 2005 budget revenue requirements of the United States of America.
The APT concept is elegant in its simplicity - potentially replacing the entire federal and state tax system - including income, corporate profits, excise and estate taxes - in favor of a tiny tax on all transactions. The tax would be automatically deducted from special taxpayer accounts, linked by software to all accounts at financial institutions capable of making final payments to the government seamlessly in real-time. The APT tax therefore eliminates the need for individuals and firms to file income and information tax returns. This is estimated to save citizens and the government roughly $200 billion per year in administration, enforcement, evasion and compliance costs, roughly seven times the amount currently being spent on homeland security.
The APT tax seeks to maximize the goals of both the government and the people - collecting necessary revenue with the lowest possible tax rate. The difference between the APT tax and our current income tax, as well as the proposed consumption taxes, is simplicity, progressivity, and breadth-the APT tax allows for significantly lower rates spread more equally throughout the world of economic activity. The APT is a transaction tax, and as such, taxes every single transaction that occurs in the economy including fund transfers between accounts and transactions involving the exchange of bonds, securities and foreign exchange. Because the wealthy conduct a disproportionate share of these financial transactions, the tax is highly progressive despite its flat rate. Progressivity is achieved through the skewness of tax base itself rather than through the progressive income tax rate structure of the current system. The very small tax is "sliced" off each side of every transaction as it moves electronically through banks and all other qualifying financial institutions. The tax collection is orderly and transparent, the rules are simple and universal and apolitical. The APT system eliminates the entire present tax code. No more exemptions, no more deductions, no more special interest loopholes and no more tax returns.
Feige's 2005 projections of total debits of $881 Tril., and total transactions of $832 Tril. (based on the most recent 2002 Bank for International Settlements data) update the figures he used in his original paper, published in Economic Policy in 2000. Taking the average of these two estimates ($856 Tril.), he conservatively assumes that the replacement of the current tax system with a revenue neutral APT tax will reduce total transactions by 50%. The projected potential APT tax base for 2005 would then be $428 Tril., permitting a revenue neutral flat tax of .57 percent on all transactions or .28 percent on each (buyer and seller) transactor to replace projected 2005 Federal and State tax revenues.
The tax rates required for a "revenue neutral" tax are divided into three phases which are the result of a suggested implementation plan that would gradually replace virtually all Federal and State taxes. The projected tax rates are calculated conservatively, assuming that only 50% of the potential 2005 APT tax base is available, since the volume of total transactions is expected to fall with the introduction of the APT tax. To the extent that transactions decline less than is assumed in the current calculations, an even lower tax rate would be able to raise the requisite revenues. As individuals and businesses use their new found economic freedom, transactions naturally grow over time, suggesting that future tax rates could be even lower.
Utilizing 50% of the projected APT tax base for 2005 of $856 Tril., that is, $428 Tril, the estimated tax rates required to raise the revenues projected for 2005 budgets are as follows:
Phase I (Eliminate all Federal taxes other than SS and Medicare)
Required revenue neutral target=$1.242 Tril:
Required tax rate = 0.29% per transaction or 0.15% per transactor.
Phase II (Eliminate all Federal taxes including Social Security and Medicare "payroll" taxes)
Required revenue neutral target = $2.036 Tril.
Required tax rate = 0.48 % per transaction or 0.24% per transactor.
Phase III (Eliminate all Federal taxes including Social Security and Medicare "payroll" taxes and all State personal income; corporate profits and sales taxes)
Required revenue neutral target = $2.436 Tril.
Required tax rate = 0.57% per transaction or 0.28% per transactor.
The estimates above are based on 2005 revenue and transaction projections. Implementing the three phases will require several years and careful government management, especially the third phase. However, Dr. Feige has built in a safeguard for the APT Tax by calculating the required tax rate based on only half of the transactions that are actually observed.
Examples: Assuming full implementation of Phase three:
1. $100 restaurant bill would have a tax to the customer estimated to be 28 cents and the restaurant would pay 28 cents.
2. $50,000 family income deposited and spent or moved to savings results in $100,000 of transactions paying a total tax of $280 distributed over all the individual transactions as they occurred through the year. These amounts would be doubled if businesses fully shifted their tax burden to the consumer, but nowhere near the $15,000 to $20,000 the family would pay under the current federal and state systems.
It is now important to begin the process of planning the economic, legal, technical and administrative requirements necessary for a smooth and transparent transition from the current tax system to an APT system. The proposed, new collection system will be tested by computer simulation to capture all potential errors and omissions (new job for the IRS). Then, it will take several years to rollout, especially Phase III involving central collection and distribution to the States. A national commitment to this revolutionary, fair, automatic and lowest cost tax system is needed NOW!
For more details, please visit www.apttax.com
William J Hermann, Jr. MD, Director APT Tax Project Contact: administrator@apttax.com , 713-932-3773
too funny. i thought there were 9 too many words in the title.
Anyone that believes that lie has been asleep for the last century.. -or- one of the perpetually clueless..
tax reform bump
A Taxreform bump for you all.
If you would like to be added to this ping list let me know.
John Linder in the House & Saxby Chambliss Senate, offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and SS/Medicare payroll taxes outright, and provide a IRS free replacement in the form of a retail sales tax:
H.R.25, S.1493
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.Refer for additional information: http://www.fairtax.org, http://www.salestax.org & http://www.geocities.com/cmcofer/ftax.html
http://www.fairtax.org BTTT
FREE the American people from the IRS/IRC for a Constitutional and FAIR TAX!
a poster once wrote: "The fair tax proposal does nothing to address these problems. Until we grow the economy and cut spending to restore balance, it doesn't matter what tax scheme you use, or whether we tax at all. We are all responsible and accountable for the accumulating debt."
Above are the basic thoughts you will get from fair minded fellow conservatives over the issues of changing the tax structure. However I believe they miss the fundamental reason why some people want the fair tax. That reason being, expose the truth.
I support the fair tax on this main issue. I believe people should really know how much they pay in taxes. In today's world where your money gets transferred to your checking account and all you really get is a data sheet of "items" deducted, in the end all you care is your take home pay.
Would people REALLY support a welfare state IF an I.R.S. agent waited outside their workplace and asked for 30% of their paycheck in cash EACH AND EVERY FRIDAY?
In the end I just want people to be pissed off as to how much of their money is taken away from them. Flat tax? Sure, Ill go along with that idea ONLY if it is truly a flat tax and NO other federal deductions are taken out AND people have to write a check for it. No more auto-deductions.{pipe dream, i know}
Only after the clueless masses see and feel the truth can we gain hope in changing the federal government to balance a simple check book.
How will the people understand what $7,590,816,853,867.26 in debt is all about until they realize that THEY are the ones that owe it.
Want to jump to the point and skip all this trouble? Send each and every american, every child-old person-handycapped-democrat-republican a bill for $25,721.17 . If everyone would just pay up today what they owe, this whole tax structure problem wouldn't REALLY be an issue.
And all of God's people said......... {grin}
Would people REALLY support a welfare state IF an I.R.S. agent waited outside their workplace and asked for 30% of their paycheck in cash EACH AND EVERY FRIDAY?
In the end I just want people to be pissed off as to how much of their money is taken away from them.
Precisely!!
Hiding taxation from the eyes of the individual citizen it deplorable. Playing the ostrich will not make it go away, trying to pass it on to the other guy will not make it go away, in fact experience has shown that such manner of taxation inevitably rises until it so burdens an economy that a nation is driven to stagnation.
Ostriches are well known for the ability to hide their heads in the sand when danger is in they area. Apparently it serves to make them look like a bush instead of a meal.
Unfortunately, that does not prevent their being sh't upon by the buzzards roosting on their back.
"As a matter of fact, what the income tax does and this is the debate that I think we always try to get into in order to let you and him fight, see and the people of this country are led down a path where the actual control of their resources, which in the end is the control over their will, is handed off to the government." . . . "The government then manipulates that will in order to destroy the freedom of our electoral system through the income tax structure, and we call the resulting slavery a free system." "In point of fact, it is not as the founders understood, and the only way to restore real freedom is to give people back control over the income that they earn so that they wont, at the voting booth and in other phony issues, be subject to that manipulation." |
You nailed it. The key to reducing spending lies in making the real cost of government apparent. Not hiding it like the APT folks want.
Bttttt!! Spot on!
Google Search: Turnover tax & VATs and we find little Information about taxes on the gross value of transactions, (i.e. turnover tax) and why Europe gave them up in favor of the other problematic tax, the VAT:
Public Finance Government Revenues and Expenditures in the United States Economy http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~holcombe/ CHAPTER 12 Page 235-236 Turnover Taxes:
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abit more:
http://www.britannica.com/eb/print?tocId=9108616&fullArticle=true
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A little history on the turnover tax:
John Quiggin - News Articles - GST9806 Australian Financial Review 4 June 1998
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More on the ubiquitous transaction tax (i.e. turnover tax; aka general sales tax)
http://old.ucipr.kiev.ua/english/ers/35/3507.html Problems of and Prospects for Alternative Sales Tax in the Ukrainian Taxation System
By Valentyn Tregobchuk, doctor of economics, professor, head of the department for resource potential at the Economy Institute of the National Academy of Ukraine; *** SNIP *** From the theoretical viewpoint, the sales tax and the VAT are analogous, since they both are indirect taxes on consumption and represent different forms of the same tax collected at each stage of commodity production and turnover. The only difference between those taxes is tax article, to which tax rate is applied. In other words, the sales tax is levied on gross turnover and the VAT on net one. Though, in the practice of application of sales tax the above difference engenders numerous negative consequences the economic theory has not dealt with since early 20th century, when their major drawbacks related to the nature of tax article became evident. As the sales tax is levied on the whole sales value, inclusive of raw materials cost, should this tax be applied in the event of several production and turnover stages, it will generate a cumulative effect or that of sequential growth of tax burden. Proceeding from the above, tax burden depends on the distance from the manufacturer to the consumer. The higher is value, including wages and profit, added by a company operating at the initial production stage, the stronger is the cumulative effect. Hence, in this respect, the nature of tax burden is uneven and sporadic, for it depends not on the companys performance but on its role in production chain and the number of technological cycles. Such an approach to taxation stimulates considerable increase of tax burden, first and foremost, that on consumer goods and food enterprises, processing branches of the agro-industrial complex, wood-processing, pulp and paper industries, machine building etc. It turns out that within the same branch, enterprises manufacturing products using high-grade and more expensive raw materials experience much more difficulties. Such a situation engenders incentives to vertical integration, i.e. consolidation of technologically related enterprises, determining higher level of economys monopolization. Monopolies that emerged to optimize tax payments are not interested in cooperation with any intermediate parties, small and medium enterprises offer no incentives to competition. So, small and medium business declines, as companies cannot stand price competition with monopolies. After the World War II, in the majority of states, the sales tax was not imposed due to the above reasons. However, further growth of fiscal needs urged a number of countries to seek for alternative types of indirect taxation. In 1954, France substituted the sales tax for the VAT and pioneered in change of consumer tax structure. |
I saw this immediately the first time I heard about the APT. I didn't even bother learning about the details. I have seen firsthand what a VAT can do to an economy.
Here are some actual study results relating to variants of the APT, e.g. Bank Account Debit(BAD) tax as it is otherwise known in its Australian (and CPMF) in its Brazilian implementations, neither of which have had a good experience with it.
http://www.webmeets.com/files/papers/lacea/2002/176/BT111101.pdf
By P.H. Albuquerque 2001
That which you tax you will have less of:
"Note that the BAD[Bank Account Debit, e.g. APT] tax is equivalent to a consumption tax, and income tax, an investment tax, a tax payment tax, and a capital turnover tax."
P.H. Albuquerque 2001
From the APT website:
In the words of:
Australia's Prime Minister John Howard, once referring to a proposal of substituting all taxes in Australia by a BAD tax, declared: "It would completely render comatose a workable financial system in a very rapid period of time. And in a global world in which we now live we'd basically be saying that we're opting out and going back to the jungle. I think, with great respect ot whoever is advocating it ... it's a crazy idea."
P.H. Albuquerque 2001
Empirical evidence and theoretical underpinnings of the failure of APT type taxes in numerous countries in history as well as current era suggest strongly the best that can be said for an APT on an experiential basis is what was indicated by Tanzi as a result of empirical evaluation of Latin American versions of the APT:
The following empirical data suggests a 0.25% APT tax on banking & finance yields ~1% of GDP tax revenues. By extension a full APT would cover an incidence base of approximately 4 times banking transactions, good for approximately 4% of GDP in tax revenue production.
The current federal tax system likely yields more than 5 times the level of a universal APT:
Tanzi, V.(2000). "Taxation in Latin America in the Last Decade." Center for Reasearch on Economic Development and Policy Reform Working Paper Series, 76. Stanford: Stanford University.
Page 31: Financial Transactions or Bank Debit Taxes In its more recent versions the tax seems to have generated less difficulties, at least in the short run, and more revenue than in earlier years and the tax has acquired some strong supporters. There is very little popular opposition to it, it is relatively easy to administer, and it generates significant revenue. If it is applied at a very low rate, it may conform with a kind of "honey bee" approach to taxation whereby each collection is so small that it does not elicit a response on the part of the taxpayer. However, at higher rates and especially over a longer time frame this tax would likely have higher costs. The bank debit tax is essentially an excise imposed on a specific activity, namely the use of bank checks. If the tax rate is small and the elasticity of demand for bank checks is low, the tax may not generate attempts at avoidance. However, if the rate becomes higher, individuals may realize that there are ways of avoiding this tax. Use of cash instead of checks would be one such way. Use of dollars would be another. Arranging to make payments through foreign accounts would be still another. Use of barter would be a further one. If the tax leads to a reduction in financial transactions, it would inevitably affect the efficiency of the economy. However, it is fair to state that almost all taxes have costs. Therefore, the choice must be made among second or even third best options. If the bank debit taxes are used at low rates and only for periods of transition to better revenue sources, then, maybe, they deserve a less negative reaction than most tax experts would give them. However, they should not become permanent features of tax systems.
Table 11. Gross Revenue from Bank Debit Taxes Tax In Percent of In Percent of Year Rate GDP Tax Revenue Productivity 1/Countries where tax is being enforced: Brazil 1994 0.25 1.06 3.6 4.24 1997 0.20 0.80 2.8 4.00 1998 0.20 0.90 3.0 4.50 1999 0.22 2/ 0.79 2.6 3.61Colombia 1999 0.20 0.77 4.3 3.85 Ecuador 1999 1.00 3.50 26.7 3.50 3/Countries where tax was discontinued: Argentina 1989 0.70 0.66 4.3 0.94 1990 0.30 0.30 2.0 0.99 1991 1.05 2/ 0.91 5.4 0.86 1992 0.60 2/ 0.29 1.5 0.97 4/ Peru 1990 1.41 2/ 0.59 6.4 0.42 1991 0.81 2/ 0.46 5.0 0.57 Venezuela 1994 0.75 1.30 7.7 2.60 4/ 1999 0.50 0.60 4.9 1.80 4/ |
Somehow I do not see 4% of GDP sufficient for the revenue needs of this or any modern nation, especially as the nature of the tax is so hidden from the view of the electorate and has such an impact on an economy.
Byt its authors one admission an APT would halve the number of transactions occuring in the economy, which is death to liquidity and orderly exchange markets.
A comprehensive FR debate on the APT vs NRST:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1295188/posts
The Fair Tax has many tremendous advantages for the middle class and working people. First and foremost, the Fair Tax is a great order of magnitude improvement in the environment for capital investment in this country. One primary thing this means: JOBS. Jobs in this country with higher productivity and higher wages. That is the best hope for improving the standard of living for any individual. Particularly those individuals with good ideas and willingness to work hard. That is the best environment for working people in the U.S. since before I was born. And the Fair Tax is MORE progressive than our present tax system which is to be repealed and replaced by the Fair Tax.
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