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Gregoire's illegitimate recount (a comment concerning WA recount mess)
Sound Politics (blog) ^ | November 29, 2004 | Alessandro Fiaschi

Posted on 11/29/2004 1:40:17 PM PST by alessandrofiaschi

November 29, 2004

Gregoire's illegitimate recount

As Seth notes below, John Fund asks in today's WSJ Opinion Journal "Will Democrats steal the Washington governorship?"

Well they're certainly going to try. I heard on KUOW this morning (can't find any report on line) that Gregoire will definitely ask for a hand recount this week.

How should the Republicans respond?

First, it's important to reiterate that Dino Rossi won two statewide counts; even after the Gregoire people won all of their legal and procedural fights to obtain certain unfair advantages; even after they were permitted to hand in questionable (and in some cases illegally cast) ballots; even after a partial hand recount in King County where election officials (aided by haruspices?) were allowed to use their own judgment to somehow "divine" the intent behind hundreds of improperly marked ballots.

Dino Rossi is the Governor-Elect, fair and square. The only reason we might accept the legitimacy of yet another recount is if we are convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that it would be more accurate and not less accurate than either of the first two counts. But there is no reason to believe that a statewide hand recount would not be less accurate then the two previous counts. Indeed, Secretary of State Sam Reed said in last Wednesday's press conference (available online here) that hand recounts are not more accurate and King County elections director also agrees that "the machine count is going to be more accurate than a manual count".

In short, by attempting to overturn the decision of Washington's voters with a less accurate vote count, Christine Gregoire and the Democrats have declared a form of civil war on the people of this state. They are morally equivalent to the corrupt Ukrainian autocrats who have tried to steal the election from its rightful winners in the opposition.

We have to fight back against the Democrats' illegitimate moves to steal the election. The best way that I can think of to do that is to discredit the recount by continually reminding everyone about the inaccuracy, human error, sloppiness and opportunities for fraud that permeate the process. Let's start by looking at "King County's 336 Mystery Ballots" and then wrap up by asking "Who voted, anyway? What are their names?"

King County's 336 Mystery Ballots
While most of the attention last week was on King County's 700+ surgically enhanced haruspex ballots, it is also the case that King County discovered 336 brand new ballots that weren't counted the first time. Richard Pope pointed this out in a comment to an earlier post. I poked through the County's precinct canvass files, posted here.

There are indeed 336 ballots that were not counted during the first count, but somehow showed up in time for the recount -- 198 Absentee ballots, 33 Polling ballots and 105 "Add-on" ballots (provisional and other exceptions). These are in addition to the 717 improperly filled out ballots that were examined by the canvassing board to divine voter intent. 134 of these 336 Mystery Ballots came from Seattle (40%), which is slightly higher than Seattle's share of the County's registered voters and total of votes cast (35-36%).

I called the King County Elections office and asked Superintendent of Elections Bill Huennekens to explain the 336 Mystery Ballots. Apparently there was a batch of 160 or so absentee ballots that "simply didn't show up the first time around". He had no other explanation, other than observing that these things always happen and out of 900,000 ballots [898,238 to be exact] the error rate is very low and proportional to other counties. I pressed him on the 33 newly discovered "Polling" ballots. Shouldn't these have been reconciled with the precinct poll counts? Every voter who shows up at a poll signs in and can be counted. Wouldn't the number of ballots be reconciled against the number of voters at each precinct? They were reconciled during the first count, he explained. Nevertheless, 147 brand new Polling ballots appeared and 114 previously counted Polling ballots disappeared, as if by magic, for a net change of 33 brand new ballots. Likewise, the net new 198 absentee ballots came from 813 newly discovered absentees, less 698 previously existing and reconciled absentees that somehow vanished.

Huennekens said quite honestly that this is a "human process", that "inspectors are fallible and they're human". Fair enough. So increasing the role of the fallible human inspectors, who can make errors in the reconciled ballot counts by the hundreds will only introduce more error into a manual recount that should be rejected before it even begins.

Who voted, anyway? What are their names?
One of the clearest indications I've seen that the Ukrainian election was rigged is this map showing an astonishing increase in voter turnout in the eastern Ukraine, in the regions favoring the old guard. If it was known who these mysterious new voters were, observers could count the number of voters and reconcile whether all of these ballots were attributable to living eligible voters who only voted once.

Likewise, here in WA we would have more confidence in our election if we knew that every counted ballot was cast by a living eligible voter who only voted once. The easy way to do that is to simply post the list of the names of the voters who cast ballots along with their precinct and address. The number of voters per precinct would have to agree with the total number of votes recorded per precinct. Other voters could verify whether everybody who voted is a living eligible voter who lives where they say they live. All of this information is part of the public record. At least in King County, anybody can obtain a copy of the voter registration roll with all of this information. All you need is to pay a nominal fee and sign a pledge to use the information only for appropriate purposes. The question is, when will this voter list be available? It should be available as part of the same deliverable as any certified count and recount.

But it's not. Bill Huennekens explained that updating the voter roll is a lower priority task and won't be completed until sometime after the recount is certified. It's not necessarily his fault, those are the guidelines he's working under. On the other hand, how can the rest of us have much confidence in our election system if we don't even know who voted and whether the number of actual voters is the same as the number of votes cast?

We should not accept any recount ("Count every vote", the Democrats whine) unless we can also verify that every vote counted was also legitimately cast. Without an accurate list of voters, there is no way to do this.

Gregoire declared war by attempting to use a less accurate recount to overturn the results of two more accurate counts. We should fight back not only by unequivocally denouncing the next recount as illegitimate, but by demanding an overall clean-up of the entire electoral process to prevent any similar monkey business in the future.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at 12:30 PM [on Sound Politics]


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One of the first defenses the Dems and their supporters can come up for their own questionable behavior is with the hypothetical, "If you were in our position, you'd do the same." How about supporting your party's behavior on its own merits and not by claiming to be no worse than anyone else? Concretely, the real problem is that Washington Code is explicit about how to determine the validity of votes during the original count. BUT NOT THE RECOUNT - there is little definition of recounting except for the winning margin requirements for machine or hand recounting and the provision to allow a hand recount at the expense of the party requesting it. Maybe I am just too suspicious, but I have the feeling that the rats are stealing in all ways this election in WA. We must act, not only hope.
1 posted on 11/29/2004 1:40:21 PM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: alessandrofiaschi

Haruspication bump.


2 posted on 11/29/2004 1:42:08 PM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: alessandrofiaschi

Gregoire will not stop until the count shows her winning by 1 vote. Then she'll demand a halt to additional recounts.

Fraud!


3 posted on 11/29/2004 1:43:05 PM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: RockinRight

Hmm - that strategy sounds familiar. Smells like Florida 2000.

"Count every vote! (until our guy takes the lead)"


4 posted on 11/29/2004 1:45:11 PM PST by GianniV
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To: RockinRight

This is what Algore was trying to do. Keep counting until he got the number he wanted.


5 posted on 11/29/2004 1:45:42 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: alessandrofiaschi
...after a partial hand recount in King County where election officials (aided by haruspices?) were allowed to use their own judgment to somehow "divine" the intent behind hundreds of improperly marked ballots.

Just one thing: All counties with optical scanners use ballot enhancing to make some ballots machine-readable, and in at least the vast majority of cases, no "divining" is involved. Admittedly, I didn't watch that many enhancements, but I didn't see a single ballot on which there was any question as to the voter's intent.

In some cases, in fact, enhancement has to be done even when a voter followed instructions to the letter, but the machine for some reason will not pick up the marks.

In Spokane County, this process was partially responsible for Dino Rossi picking up a few more net votes.

The process needs to be carefully monitored, but it's not a nefarious and unheard-of Democratic plot.

6 posted on 11/29/2004 1:54:52 PM PST by ScottFromSpokane (We're none of us prefect.)
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To: alessandrofiaschi

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7 posted on 11/29/2004 2:20:21 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: alessandrofiaschi

She needs to drop the recount...shades of "How many fingers..." from Orwell's 1984.


8 posted on 11/29/2004 2:29:45 PM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: alessandrofiaschi
NEVER, NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE DEM CAPACITY FOR DISHONESTY, THEFT AND PERFIDY!!

This looks like a perfect opportunity for the ancient "Lyndon Baines Johnson - Holy Smoke, Here's A Whole Ballot Box We Failed To Count The First Time" tactic. I can just see some dem party leader checking out the sewer lines (the dems love the sewers and, consequently, spend a lot of time there) and oozing into a little used storage room in the recount headquarters where he finds an official ballot box with all officials seals still fully intact. Even though the type fonts on the seal are identical to those in Rather's forgeries, the court orders that the mistake be remedied and the ballots inside be counted in the official, final recount. All, I repeat, all the newly found ballots are for Gregoire! NEVER, NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE DEM CAPACITY FOR DISHONESTY, THEFT AND PERFIDY!!

9 posted on 11/29/2004 2:43:39 PM PST by Tacis (Kerry - You Can't Make A Silk Purse Out Of A Lazy, Lying, Elitist Scumbag!)
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To: lowbridge

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10 posted on 11/29/2004 2:45:58 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: RockinRight

Even if Gregoire were to win a second recount I'd have to grant the election to Rossi. After all, he won the original count and the first recount, and two out of three should win.


11 posted on 11/29/2004 2:58:26 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Patriotism is patriotic.)
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To: lowbridge

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12 posted on 11/29/2004 3:10:46 PM PST by lowbridge
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13 posted on 11/29/2004 3:11:00 PM PST by lowbridge
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14 posted on 11/29/2004 3:11:14 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: alessandrofiaschi
I'm still fuming mad at my county, Grays Harbor County. There was a startlingly large turnout, at least from what I've heard. Our criminal county auditor showed Rossi winning the county a week after the election, flipping it from Gregoire, then he claimed that the "numbers were just too high on turnout". Sure, I can accept the idea that we didn't have a 97% turnout rate, but his "revised" figures show a turnout of 77.1%, which is lower than all but four of WA's other 38 counties. Those four are quite rural indeed, and while GHC is mostly tree growing regions, the vast majority of our county's population lives within three miles of a major four-lane highway that runs through the entire county.

Where did the votes all go? And what sort of protest should I make to get the maximum coverage? I'm leaving this area at the end of the year, moving to Utah, but it would be nice to leave the People's Republic of Washington, and this corrupt county, with a bang.

15 posted on 11/29/2004 4:14:33 PM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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