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To: Birdstrike; John O

Our founding Fathers saw America as a Christian nation. Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest. Guests who do not honor your home and heritage need to leave.


4 posted on 11/22/2004 7:19:17 AM PST by andie74 (W stands for Women)
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To: andie74

"...Guests who do not honor your home and heritage need to leave..."

or forced to leave if they won't do so voluntarily. Then they can do what they please.


7 posted on 11/22/2004 7:20:54 AM PST by Birdstrike
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To: andie74

"Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest."

I will beg to differ with you. I am an atheist. I'm a citizen. I'm also a veteran. If you propose to expel me from my native country, you'll be in for a fight.


19 posted on 11/22/2004 7:27:29 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: andie74
Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest.
That's a pretty narrow view don't you think?

20 posted on 11/22/2004 7:28:06 AM PST by oh8eleven
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To: andie74

Sorry, not true..

From http://www.theology.edu/journal/volume2/ushistor.htm

"Thomas Jefferson created his own version of the gospels; he was uncomfortable with any reference to miracles, so with two copies of the New Testament, he cut and pasted them together, excising all references to miracles, from turning water to wine, to the resurrection.


There has certainly never been a shortage of boldness in the history of biblical scholarship during the past two centuries, but for sheer audacity Thomas Jefferson's two redactions of the Gospels stand out even in that company. It is still a bit overwhelming to contemplate the sangfroid exhibited by the third president of the United States as, razor in hand, he sat editing the Gospels during February 1804, on (as he himself says) "2. or 3. nights only at Washington, after getting thro' the evening task of reading the letters and papers of the day." He was apparently quite sure that he could tell what was genuine and what was not in the transmitted text of the New Testament...(Thomas Jefferson. The Jefferson Bible; Jefferson and his Contemporaries, an afterward by Jaroslav Pelikan, Boston: Beacon Press, 1989, p. 149. Click to go to a copy of The Jefferson Bible).

In his Notes on Virginia, Jefferson wrote:

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury to my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. (Dumas Malon, Jefferson The President: First Term 1801-1805. Boston: Little Brown and Company, 1970, p. 191)

Thomas Paine was a pamphleteer whose manifestoes encouraged the faltering spirits of the country and aided materially in winning the War of Independence. But he was a Deist:

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. (Richard Emery Roberts, ed. "Excerpts from The Age of Reason". Selected Writings of Thomas Paine. New York: Everbody's Vacation Publishing Co., 1945, p. 362)

Regarding the New Testament, he wrote that:

I hold [it] to be fabulous and have shown [it] to be false...(Roberts, p. 375)

About the afterlife, he wrote:

I do not believe because a man and a woman make a child that it imposes on the Creator the unavoidable obligation of keeping the being so made in eternal existance hereafter. It is in His power to do so, or not to do so, and it is not in my power to decide which He will do. (Roberts, p. 375)

John Adams, the second U.S. President rejected the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and became a Unitarian. It was during Adams' presidency that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship with Tripoli, which states in Article XI that:

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arrising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. (Charles I. Bevans, ed. Treaties and Other International Agreements of the United States of America 1776-1949. Vol. 11: Philippines-United Arab Republic. Washington D.C.: Department of State Publications, 1974, p. 1072). ...

So you say that Jefferson, Paine, Adams were not Founding fathers?


27 posted on 11/22/2004 7:29:27 AM PST by Pitiricus
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To: andie74

If your definition of Christian is belief in the divinity of Christ, you would have deported plenty of our Founding Fathers.


40 posted on 11/22/2004 7:35:13 AM PST by notigar
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To: andie74

"Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest."


Even the Jews?


44 posted on 11/22/2004 7:36:04 AM PST by Blzbba (Conservative Republican - Less gov't, less spending, less intrusion.)
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To: andie74; malakhi; SJackson; Alouette
Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest.

Those of us who are Jewish and American just marked our 350th anniversary in this country. Are we guests too?

87 posted on 11/22/2004 8:01:19 AM PST by Bella_Bru (Proud member of La Kosher Nostra and the IZC)
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To: andie74
Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest. Guests who do not honor your home and heritage need to leave.

Nasty sentiment and completely false. All are welcome who abide by the laws of the Republic. Religious proclamations and oaths are not required.

121 posted on 11/22/2004 8:28:32 AM PST by Alouette (When the wicked perish, there is jubilation! Proverbs 11:10)
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To: andie74
Our founding Fathers saw America as a Christian nation. Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest. Guests who do not honor your home and heritage need to leave.

This is the Roy-Moore-bigotry.

Catholics are not considered "Christian" by some. And Jews certainly are not.

You don't "own" this country. To treat non-Christians as second-class citizens is the most un-American thing I can think of.

124 posted on 11/22/2004 8:30:10 AM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: andie74; hchutch; sinkspur
Our founding Fathers saw America as a Christian nation. Anyone who is here who is not a Christian is a guest. Guests who do not honor your home and heritage need to leave.

As a Catholic (and, hence, a "non-Christian" by some folks' reasoning, including some of the Founding Fathers), I hereby invite you to try and make me leave.

205 posted on 11/22/2004 12:34:45 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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