Posted on 11/22/2004 7:14:57 AM PST by Birdstrike
The Muslim religion preaches the extreme and death to those who do not believe in it. Jihadists are following their religion. They are the greatest threat to the security of the world and therefore they should be kept out of our country and confined to their own, where they can preach what they want and live in the dark ages if they so choose.
They are not a threat because they don't live in democracies, they are a threat becasue of what they believe. Read their "holy" book and see for yourself.
There are hundreds of mosques right here in the USA and millions of muslims, many of whom call themselves Americans. Yet their silence is deafening. Which one can I trust? I have not heard or seen a single one of them speak out against the disregard for human life or the violence that you say is "not the average Muslim."
What and who is the "average Muslim"? Is it one that doesn't commit the violence himself but condones it, finances it and does nothing to prevent it or won't even raise his voice against it? Who are these "moderate and average" Muslims of which you speak and where do they live? Why don't you tell me that? Or should I just wait for the next act of murder and the repetition of silence from the bretheren of those that commit it?
You see I don't care what they "believe" but I do care what they do in my country. As long as they stay in their own country I don't care how they live. I would like to see us stay out of their countries and stop trying to tell them what to believe, how to live or what to do. However, the minute they come out of their lairs they make themselves fair game.
If they or you want me to believe that the "average Muslim" is a good guy that I should trust and give sanctuary in my house, then let the "average Muslims" come forward and let me hear their voice. Until they do, I am unable to tell the difference between this average guy you're talking about and the one that's just waiting for his chance to stab me or my brother in the back.
I'm not asking them to think like me or to believe what I believe and I really don't care if they read the Quran or the Bible. As long as they are a threat I don't want them in my house. It will take a lot of convincing on their part to get me to accept that they are not my enemy. That's their problem not mine. Until they are able to do it, I would like them to go home. I have neither the time or the desire to "convert" them to anything.
"...Considering the fact that we can't even take care of the hordes of illegals streaming across our borders, it would seem as though canceling the visas, tracking down, and then deporting Muslims in this country would be next to impossible. The INS is in shambles and our border security is nonexistent. Until we take care of those two problems, any such talk of canceling visas and deporting people is far too premature..."
Quite correct on all counts. Still, we need to get the policy gears lubricated and get the options out in the open. These problems can be corrected and must be.
"...I do not feel that I am at war with all Muslims...only anti-American terrorists that use Islam for their own purposes...."
The author's premise is that it can be next to impossible to sort them out...hence they all, or nearly all who support Jihad and refuse to publicly condemn it, must go.
Is it OK to be a progressive Christian...but not a progressive Muslim? Why is it that the progressive are still Christians, but the Muslims that do not believe in this terrorism obviously are not Muslims? I believe, just as there are those that interpret and follow the bible differently, there are those that interpret and follow the Koran differently. Why not just concentrate on the ones that are actually doing something illegal, instead of on all Muslims?
Islam teaches that lying to the infidel is perfectly acceptable. So -- if a Muslim tells you that they condemn jihad, and if you are not a Muslim, how will you ever know whether or not it is the truth or a lie?
Islam teaches that lying to the infidel is perfectly acceptable. So -- if a Muslim tells you that they condemn jihad, and if you are not a Muslim, how will you ever know whether or not it is the truth or a lie?
Those of us who are Jewish and American just marked our 350th anniversary in this country. Are we guests too?
"Jail the criminals. Leave the rest alone, unless they break the law."
I would consider anyone who condones killing innocents because they are to be regarded as nonbelievers or infidels as "breaking the law". It's conspiracy. I don't need to wait until they carry it out.
"Islam teaches that lying to the infidel is perfectly acceptable. So -- if a Muslim tells you that they condemn jihad, and if you are not a Muslim, how will you ever know whether or not it is the truth or a lie?"
I've been lied to by Christians, too. I've been lied to by Jews, Buddhists, and others. I judge whether someone is lying by their other actions, not just by their speech.
Since I don't know you, I have no way to judge. One of the Muslims I know lived two doors down from my home. I know him quite well, and I know him to be a truthful man. You...I don't know.
Perhaps that premise is incorrect.
What did you say in your first post? If someone is not a Chrtistian, than they are a guest. Come and try to deport this 4th generation American Jew.
"...I suppose there will always be some sort of knee-jerk movement going on in this country. As always, it ignores the basic fundamentals that make the USA so great...."
That doesn't give one open license to commit to conspiracy against western civilization, Mimeral. That has to be a USA remaining to keep great. If Jihad succeeds, there won't be one.
Then your Muslim friends should condemn jihad publicly, and they should have no problems.
The 'perfect storm' inside of America is brewing. IMO.
Excellent metaphor.
Read post 79.
"Then your Muslim friends should condemn jihad publicly, and they should have no problems.
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I see. So they must prove themselves innocent, even though they have done absolutely nothing wrong. You'll find that that runs counter to our Constitution. You seem to lack an understanding of that document. I recommend reading it once again.
I know a few native americans who would disagree with you.
Well, if a citizen is not obeying the laws of the Constitution and committing treasonous acts, I don't care where they are deported to! Again, read post 79!
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