Posted on 11/22/2004 7:14:57 AM PST by Birdstrike
"Exactly. "
So we're in agreement.
"Our publically funded education system does a pretty fine job of shoving secularist/pluralistic propaganda down our kids' throats."
True. It's no worse (to me) than having tax dollars spent on teaching Creationism or other myths. I'm not a big fan of the teaching of acceptance of alternative lifestyles either, for the record. Some things should be handled by parents.
"many sex education programs indoctrinate them in ways that I believe are harmful to society."
Those that encourage sexual experimentation by adolescents - I agree with you. School is no place to learn about different types of sexual positions, etc. BUT, simply educating them on contraception, along with abstinence, as ways to promote sexual health is a good thing, I think. I do not believe in ignorance here. Hoping kids remain abstinent is simply ignorant. Many will not so I think it's best and most-realistic to educate them on the options they have.
Since 100% abstinence will never be achieved, isn't it better to still have low teen birth rates and cases of sex. disease, rather than the alternative?
I was a teenager once, raised in a fairly-strict Catholic family with mindful parents and went to church and had all the guilt of Catholicism thrown upon me, blah-blah-blah. Yet, I did all I could to eventually have premarital, teen sex. I would've had more, had I been able to get in the girl's pants more often. I was stupid and male (still am both!), sure, but at least I knew what I was getting into due to sex ed. My parents, who were great in all aspects but one, never had a 'sex talk' with me.
I guess I should have said "name a country where Islam is of any populace significance and islam accomodates its neighbors..... how's that?
"Everyone is a heretic, except for me and thee. And I'm not so sure about thee." ;o)
I may have a nostalgia for monarchy and aristocracy, but a real theocracy? I wouldn't like it any more than you would. :)
Since 100% abstinence will never be achieved, isn't it better to still have low teen birth rates and cases of sex. disease, rather than the alternative?
I can see the rationale there, but if you want to get really philosophical, I don't believe there should be public education at all. I don't think the state has any business telling my kids what to know. Granted, at this point it's so driven into our system that we'd have to "work our way out of it" one thing at a time, so to speak.
I was a teenager once, raised in a fairly-strict Catholic family with mindful parents and went to church and had all the guilt of Catholicism thrown upon me, blah-blah-blah. Yet, I did all I could to eventually have premarital, teen sex. I would've had more, had I been able to get in the girl's pants more often. I was stupid and male (still am both!), sure, but at least I knew what I was getting into due to sex ed. My parents, who were great in all aspects but one, never had a 'sex talk' with me.
That IS a problem, but I don't think sex ed has really helped it. I think parents need to talk to their kids about it, regardless of what kind of education their kids get, but that sex ed might encourage the kind of thinking like, "Oh, well, they've already had that."
They are pitiful, and the numbers are small, which isn't a reason not to be alert. Along with the popcorn, virus and spyware detection would make sense.
Speaking for myself, I'm not reliable, after all, it's the internet.
Glad to see the thread is still going.
Personally, I worry more about Deer-e-Tics than her-e-tics.
It's not just that their numbers are small. It's the fact that their movements are completely fringe elements and have absolutely no sway in the real world. If anything, they serve the interests of multiculturalism, as they make convenient bogeymen for the left.
I just don't think we have to worry about FR being taken over by white supremacists.
Along with the popcorn, virus and spyware detection would make sense.
I suppose you have a point there.
I think it should happen, but it never will because we now live in a liberal PC world.
BTW, now that the election is over, can we tell the Keyesters what a keister is?
"I wouldn't like it any more than you would. :) "
I HATE arguing with people I'm in agreement with. Such a waste of time for the both of us...
" I don't believe there should be public education at all. I don't think the state has any business telling my kids what to know."
Philosophically, I'm in agreement. My wife & I made the sacrifice of shallow materialism and she now stays home with our children, rather than trying to earn a few more dollars to buy more crap to keep up with everyone else in debt. But -- and I'm sure you've met the type of people also -- most parents would not provide a quality education for their children if the parents themselves were forced to do so. Gotta make those BMW payments and fill up those SUVs!
"but I don't think sex ed has really helped it. I think parents need to talk to their kids about it, regardless of what kind of education their kids get, but that sex ed might encourage the kind of thinking like, "Oh, well, they've already had that.""
Agreed to a point. Some frank sex ed. would've been good for people like me whose parents -- for whatever reasons -- chose not to educate their children. Again, I don't want the embracing of alternative lifestyles crap, but more of a biological and sociological ("Here's what happens to teen moms. Here's what having a baby is all about" ,etc. Reality-based!) approach that, like some of the violent, anti-DUI films shown in Driver's Ed, would scare kids with reality and stats into abstinence.
I have yet to meet one rabbi (and I am talking Orthodox) who say women should not study Torah.
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