Posted on 11/22/2004 7:14:57 AM PST by Birdstrike
The Muslim religion preaches the extreme and death to those who do not believe in it. Jihadists are following their religion. They are the greatest threat to the security of the world and therefore they should be kept out of our country and confined to their own, where they can preach what they want and live in the dark ages if they so choose.
They are not a threat because they don't live in democracies, they are a threat becasue of what they believe. Read their "holy" book and see for yourself.
There are hundreds of mosques right here in the USA and millions of muslims, many of whom call themselves Americans. Yet their silence is deafening. Which one can I trust? I have not heard or seen a single one of them speak out against the disregard for human life or the violence that you say is "not the average Muslim."
What and who is the "average Muslim"? Is it one that doesn't commit the violence himself but condones it, finances it and does nothing to prevent it or won't even raise his voice against it? Who are these "moderate and average" Muslims of which you speak and where do they live? Why don't you tell me that? Or should I just wait for the next act of murder and the repetition of silence from the bretheren of those that commit it?
You see I don't care what they "believe" but I do care what they do in my country. As long as they stay in their own country I don't care how they live. I would like to see us stay out of their countries and stop trying to tell them what to believe, how to live or what to do. However, the minute they come out of their lairs they make themselves fair game.
If they or you want me to believe that the "average Muslim" is a good guy that I should trust and give sanctuary in my house, then let the "average Muslims" come forward and let me hear their voice. Until they do, I am unable to tell the difference between this average guy you're talking about and the one that's just waiting for his chance to stab me or my brother in the back.
I'm not asking them to think like me or to believe what I believe and I really don't care if they read the Quran or the Bible. As long as they are a threat I don't want them in my house. It will take a lot of convincing on their part to get me to accept that they are not my enemy. That's their problem not mine. Until they are able to do it, I would like them to go home. I have neither the time or the desire to "convert" them to anything.
"...Well, I did go over to that site, and found this in one post you made there. It's an excerpt, but makes it pretty clear where you stand..."
That's a separate subject, MM and it's not what the author's article is about, is it? If you, as an atheist, want to debate me as a Christian, then fine,start a new thread and let's have at it. BTW, you are the most intolerant person I've met on my brief experiece on this board. You don't argue the merits of ideas, you attack the positor. And you're way off base.
How about if we just capture them, hold them hostage, demand stuff of their government then cut off their heads and show the film for its entertainment value........just kidding.
Question: Would you rather be a practicing Muslim in the USA or a practicing Christian in Iran?
My last post on the subject.
This is a country of laws....that and opposable thumbs are all that separates us from the animals.
The Constitution is the law of the land....read it, and try to understand it.......if necessary, get help with the big words.
Fair enough. Thanks for reading my post and responding.
While this is and will continue to be a hard fought battle. Because we entered it with a reasoned plan and continue to modify and work that plan.
This is going to be the toughest thing we've ever had to face.
To date may be, but we have bigger, tougher issues lurking on the horizon.
The spread of socialism globally is a much more dangerous threat to us than a bunch of punks and thugs.
No, there are likeminded to be found here.
Among the ironies of the entire thread is the nature of the US Muslim population. Stats are very hard to come by for a variety of reasons, low Mosque membership rates, no INS stats on immigrants religion, and possible hesitance to self-identify as Muslim in surveys, however most sources would contend that 40% plus of the US Muslim population are Black Muslims. Deportation will be problematical, though as I recall Malcom X wanted a couple of states for a new nation, maybe we'd deport them there. The next biggest chunk we'll be deporting to places like Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. Arab Muslims, maybe 12%-15%.
Unless you take the stats from groups like CAIR, which counts all immigrants from the midease, ex-Israel, as Muslim, in which case we can deport a whole bunch of Lebanese, Egyptian, and Iraqi Christians back home.
Garbage in, garbage out I guess.
"If you, as an atheist, want to debate me as a Christian, then fine,start a new thread and let's have at it. "
No, thanks. This is a political discussion forum, not a religious one. I debate religion, but not here.
Personally, I don't care what anyone's religion is. I only care about their actions. I've known fine people of all faiths, including Islam. I've known horrible people of all faiths, too.
I simply don't judge anyone based on their declaration of religion. I wait until I see what they do and what they support.
I see that you support something that is un-Constitutional. I see that you support something that is un-American. Sorry....but you're the one who said those things.
Now, in case you're not aware, this thread is off in never-never land. Only those who are active in it can see it. Why do you suppose that is?
Yes but that was a result of an identity crisis or should I say a loss of identity crisis in the 60's.
Deportation will be problematical
or moral or legal in the context of this thread
uh because the Mods know absurdity when they see it?
Morally and legally the thread ended in posts 4 and 7 :>)
touche
Well given that you, a non Jew seems to sayt that women shouldn't study the Torah, I woin't ever listen to anything you have to say!
The stupidity of some is unfathomable!
True... I didn't see it like that, but you have a point!
LOL! I don't know what I'm talking about because I'm a non-Jew. Alouette doesn't know what she's talking about because (even though she's Jewish) she disagrees with you! I had no idea that the "Popette" of `Am Yisra'el, who alone is infallable, had decided to grace Free Republic with her august presence. How about an indulgence, your Holiness?
The stupidity of some is unfathomable!
You're funny!
Okay now, fun's over. Back behind the mechitzhah, little lady! ;-)
Besides, even if we are collecting a bit of garbage from places like StormFront, the vast majority of White Power types are just too darn WEIRD to make any serious inroads with reality (for now, at least). I've seen the mods deal with them, and they've been good about making sure such people aren't allowed to influence the direction of the content of this site. If their true colors show through, they get banned--and it's usually fairly obvious when someone crosses the line between genuine concerns about immigration and race relations to eugenics and flat-out racism. The former are a means to an end; the latter are ends in themselves.
FTR, I am in favor of stopping immigration and putting the melting pot on boil for a simple reason: I want my kids to grow up in a nice place. If we continue to fragment our country the way we are, I will be dragged into a civil war, and my kids (if I survive) will grow up in a country that is not only economically devastated but also coarsely racist, religiously intolerant, and outright rotten. I have lived my entire life without witnessing firsthand the outbreak of ancient tribal codes in America. I have no wish to see them begin to surface. Regrettably, that may be inevitable at this point. I can only hope I'm wrong.
The Pilgrims didn't come here to start a religious theocracy -- they came here to LEAVE a religious theocracy!
Your grasp of history is appallingly deficient.
For one thing, the U.K. was NEVER a religious theocracy. Yes, the civic codes were based on Christian ideals and morals (and, of course, cultural norms inherited from their Celtic, Germanic, and Greco-Roman precursors), but the Christian priesthood is not a secular office. (The exception was the Semitic, Greek, and Slavic Christians under Ottoman rule--and that was because their Muslim masters drew no distinction between religion and politics.) I'm not saying I'd like to emulate everything they did (and as a Catholic, I certainly can't approve of the Anglicans' forced conversions of the Irish); it wasn't the City of God, but there was certainly much that was laudable about Christian Europe.
For another thing, the Pilgrims who came here established a community that was distinctively Puritan in nature. It wasn't a theocracy, no more than Anglican U.K. or Catholic France was, but if you weren't a Puritan, you would find yourself somewhat marginalized in civic life (which is how it goes in every culture where religious faith influences civic life; the alternative is the kind of characterless secularism that the ACLU promotes and that has become the state religion of the United States).
Nope, just pointing out the techniques of finding the "like minded"
"Your grasp of history is appallingly deficient. "
No it's not. We're thankfully not a theocracy and were never intended to be. Fortunately, I'm free from having some ignorant Christians or Muslims or Jews try to shove their ignorance down my throat thru force of law.
LOL... did you see how many people actually voted in that StormFront poll about FR? A whooping 28!
Those people are so pitiful, it's pathetic. StormFront is only readable if you have enough popcorn on hand. You can't seriously believe they've made that big of a dent in this place.
Exactly. Western Civilization has not been a theocracy at least since Constantine. The Christian priesthood (in contrast with the Islamic imamate) has never been a secular office.
Fortunately, I'm free from having some ignorant Christians or Muslims or Jews try to shove their ignorance down my throat thru force of law.
This goes both ways, you know. Our publically funded education system does a pretty fine job of shoving secularist/pluralistic propaganda down our kids' throats. For example, many sex education programs indoctrinate them in ways that I believe are harmful to society. I find that as offensive as you would find tax money being used to pay Christian clergy.
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