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Why I Am Now Behind Arnold
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Posted on 08/12/2003 9:52:14 AM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand

I have slowly come to the conclusion that California needs Arnold. Republicans need Arnold, and above all, California Republicans need Arnold.

I had been leaning towards McClintock, and I must admit, I made that decision before Arnold threw his hat into the ring. I welcomed the move when he did, but I still had reservations. I had gotten pretty excited over McClintock's vision, particularly his desire to void the Davis energy contracts and his general desire to stick it to the Democrats. I was also justifiably concerned at first about Arnold's talk of handing the treasury over to "the children".

But one has to be able to discern politics from policy. Everyone who wants to win elective office has to pay lipservice to "the children". It is the national passtime of politicians. I think when Arnold says "the children should have the first call of state Treasury" it is followed by an unspoken qualifier of "before illegal immigrants, welfare recipients, and special interests." He is simply putting forth his priorities, and they lay in stark contrast to Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamante's. He is quite savvy, so he isn't going to come out and say it in those words. He knows highlighting what is his priorities gets much better press than highlighting what isn't. He wants to reassure the soccer moms who have been frightened by Davis' threats of cutting funding to schools that he will be looking elsewhere to cut.

Arnold is very mindful of the hurdles he faces by running as a Republican in such a liberal state, so he will take extra measures to make traditional Democratic voters feel comfortable voting for him. It is what he has to do right now if he wants to win, and it seems to be working brilliantly.

Some conservatives will argue against Schwarzenegger because he opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton. But Arnold understood the articles of impeachment that were brought were a pretty weak justification. Right or wrong, they were too easily construed as a right-wing lynching. He recognized it as too divisive and knew it could only further poison the political atmosphere and ultimately damage the Republican party.

Perhaps if Ken Starr had the convictions to pursue the serious matters of Whitewater, Chinagate, Filegate, or the murder of Vincent Foster, then Arnold would have seen it differently, just as the rest of America would have. But clearly Starr had no will to do so. It's hard to understand why, but perhaps he didn't want to expose that level of corruption in the highest office out of the long-term best interest of the American political system. Exposing Clinton's ties to the Dixieland mafia and Red China could have brought the entire government to its knees. It would have been a short-term victory for Republicans, but just as Nixon understood when he covered for Kennedy and Johnson over the Pentagon Papers, the long-term damage to the nation as a whole would have been far too great. Anyways, had Clinton actually been removed from office as a lame duck on those flimsy charges, we would have a President Gore in office right now. Arnold knew, just as everyone else did, that this was not going to happen considering it required a two-thirds majority in the Senate. Surely he understood that impeachment was a lose-lose proposition for Republicans so it was a mistake to go down that road. It was important for him to remain above it all for the sake of his own political future.

Some will argue that what we need right now is someone sort of financial wizard to fix the budget, and Arnold just doesn't qualify. But the truth is we really only need someone who can admit that Gray Davis has made some huge mistakes. Anyone but Gray Davis will do.

I hate to admit it, but the whole budget crisis is being about as overplayed for political reasons as the federal deficit in the '90s was (and is again). When it comes down to brass tacks, I think even the Democrats will bite the bullet and fix it. Yes, I know you're cringing, I am too, but it's the truth. The issue here isn't that the Democrats are incapable or even unwilling to fixing the budget. It's merely about how they want to fix it: the usual liberal approach of skyrocketing taxes. Either way, California isn't going to drop into the ocean or become a third world nation.

As far as Arnold not being a "social conservative", neither am I, and neither is California. A social conservative is not going to win a statewide election here for a long time to come. I fit in more along the lines of a fiscal conservative, just as Arnold is, and a "Constitutional conservative" with libertarian tendencies. Piety is not a prerequisite for my support, and too much of it may even lose it. I don't begrudge anyone their religious beliefs, but I do belive strongly in Jefferson's "wall of seperation between church and state". I also believe in strict interpritation of the First Ammendment, and that freedom of religion also entails freedom from religion. I realize those of you in the religious-right do not agree because this doesn't reinforce your personal religious beliefs, but not everything should be about our own personal whims and narrow agendas. Defending our own freedom as individuals must always be a higher objective. Otherwise it may be you they come for next. The Constitution protects everyone, or it protects no one. I think there are a lot of people on both extremes who forget that sometimes.

Even though some will say for these various reasons that Schwarzenegger is not the ideal conservative candidate, it is important for everyone to be pragmatic and pick their battles wisely. Right now we should be looking at long-term goals. An expedient victory in the recall of a conservative candidate by a 20 percent plurality is going to be counterproductive in the long-term. What are you going to do when Bill Simon is elected and the drive to recall him begins October 8th and qualifies three weeks later?

Electing Arnold, who can come to office with a true mandate and bring California together, will pay off big in the perception wars. Conservatives will never get their agenda anywhere in California as long as it is taboo to even vote for Republicans here. The longer Democrats have a complete lock on the state, the further left we will drift. Even if Arnold can't change the course right away, he can at least slow the momentum.

Personally, my goal is the destruction of the Democratic party and the liberal agenda far more than it is advancing any conservative single-issue. I have far more hate for left-wing Democrats than I have love for right-wing Republicans. I would be happy simply with a return to sanity at this point.

You can't walk a mile until you take the first step. For right now we all need to be concentrating on the jouney one step at a time or we will never reach the final destination. You have to at least open the door, which is now closed and locked here. It seems like a lot of right-wingers around here would rather rant and rave and pound on the door in futility than grab it by the handle.

I think I've finally figured that one out. For the death-before-electibility crowd, it's not about advancing their cause on earth, it's about earning a place in heaven.

As for the rest of us, we have to make a decision: do we want a small victory, or a huge defeat?


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KEYWORDS: 1eternalvignotincali; california; davis; election; governor; guessmyotherid; imatroll; mcclintock; recall; schwarzenegger; schwarzenutter
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Looking at the thread title, I thought this was a Morford piece...
61 posted on 08/12/2003 10:56:36 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: spokeshave
Dond = Dong....sorry fingers knotted
62 posted on 08/12/2003 10:56:44 AM PDT by spokeshave (against albore the wood, rats and frogs)
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To: Guyin4Os
I hope he'll be orders of magnatude better than that.

We shall see.

I don't like a lot about Arnold. I don't trust his liberal associations by a long shot.

But it's clear to me he's way ahead of the pack and I prefer to focus on the positive aspects of what seems exceedingly inevitable.
63 posted on 08/12/2003 10:56:57 AM PDT by Quix (PLEASE SHARE THE TRUTH RE BILLDO AND SHRILLERY FAR AND WIDE)
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To: Guyin4Os
San Francisco and Los Angeles are Democrat strongholds. But the state really is 50/50

Do you happen to have a source for that?

64 posted on 08/12/2003 10:57:31 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: ambrose
We will *NEVER* get a *REPUBLICAN* in California's *GOVERNOR'S MANSION* with your *ATTITUDE*!
65 posted on 08/12/2003 10:57:35 AM PDT by Sir Valentino
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
ROFLMAO

I hope you do live in California. You certainly do deserve what you've worked so hard to earn.
66 posted on 08/12/2003 10:58:57 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; DrMartinVonNostrand; Sabertooth; BlackElk
Sabertooth has a point - there is something afoul of your timeline, and the fact that you are putting up whole threads all of a sudden is a little off kilter for what we're used to out of newbies.

If he were trashing other FReepers (as many FReepers have been doing the last week or so), your concern might be valid.

So far, all the Doctor's done is post well-written, and thoughtful essays, agree with him or not.

I bash newbies some myself, and I really shouldn't, because a poster's sign-up date is irrelevant, unless he's trying to disrupt by posting garbage or flaming.

67 posted on 08/12/2003 10:59:32 AM PDT by sinkspur (Get a dog! He'll change your life!)
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To: over3Owithabrain
I thought this was a Morford piece.

I don't think that Morford would be pitching, in that battery.
68 posted on 08/12/2003 10:59:32 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: Tooters
To repeat my self, Schwarzenegger is a RINO, but that is what it takes to win California

This is the mantra Californian Republicans have been telling themselves for the last two election cycles. But remember, Bill Simon, with a totally inept campaign, with politically incompetent advice, with ZERO camera presence, came within 5% of beating the incumbent. With a little backing, a Tom McClintock, or a Darryl Issa, or a Dick Mountjoy could easily have beaten Davis. The key is for the California GOP to put its money behind a candidate who is experienced and competent who can energize the base of the party, the family-oriented, hard-working people of the state.

69 posted on 08/12/2003 10:59:44 AM PDT by Guyin4Os
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To: pogo101
good point
70 posted on 08/12/2003 11:00:51 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
If McClintock had come out strong in his proposed policy statement against illegal immigration and gun control, I'd support him enthusiastically no matter how far back in the polls he is. But alas, he either doesn't have the guts to tackle these two issues or he simply doesn't believe in them. This makes him little better than Arnold, imo.

So Arnold it is.

71 posted on 08/12/2003 11:01:03 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Guyin4Os
"Oh please. Arnold is no Giuliani."

I know it but can't a guy have a wishful hope?
72 posted on 08/12/2003 11:01:31 AM PDT by b-cubed
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To: VOR78
Voting is a reflexive action in California...

...that's...so...cute.

Y'all deserve what's happened, we don't. So join Mexico and begone.
73 posted on 08/12/2003 11:02:57 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: BibChr
Don't get me wrong about the impeachment thing. As a private citizen I was and still am thrilled that Clinton will forever be tainted by impeachment.

But it was a bad political move by the Republicans. It was seen as vindictive and partisan by most Americans, and they should have know it would be. There is no way they could not have known. Pragmatic Republicans like Arnold and many others knew it. And especially for Arnold, there is no way he could have survived in Hollywood if he didn't come out against it.

But now that the bar was set so low as lying, the Democrats will forever be looking for anything they can construe as a "lie". Just look at the stupid uranium flap. A dangerous precident was set by the articles of impeachment.

Simply getting Clinton shouldn't be good enough, it needed to be getting him on something GOOD. And we just didn't get it.

I'm just pissed because I would have liked to see Clinton AND Hillary hang for murder, money laundering, and treason.

But look, I'm not saying that Arnold's opposition to impeachment is a reason to support him, I'm just saying it isn't a reason to not to.
74 posted on 08/12/2003 11:03:02 AM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Well...except for the fact that yesterday you were pulling for McClintock.

As of now I have you marked more an "anti-conservative" than a "Republican at any cost", but clearly you share the viewpoints of one of the two.
75 posted on 08/12/2003 11:07:00 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Guyin4Os
McClintock can't get elected in California period-why waste your vote. Rome wasn't built in a day-got to take that first step which is weaning California away from Dems. Also, in Georgia it may come down to a pro-life Dem and a pro-choice Repub. I am voting for the Repub. Why? Our best hope to overturn Roe V Wade is through the courts-ie Surpreme Court. A Republican governor in California would help elect more Republicans to the House and Senate (some will be pro-life),maybe even deliver the State to Bush in 2004. A solid Republican congress and a Republican President would get conservative judges confirmed: our best weapon in the abortion debacle and in other important conservative issues.
76 posted on 08/12/2003 11:07:30 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: sinkspur
If he were trashing other FReepers (as many FReepers have been doing the last week or so), your concern might be valid.

There are more ways than that for a new account to seem out of place.

a poster's sign-up date is irrelevant

I almost always agree. In fact, I generally give them a lot of slack, unless they do something genuinely hilarious.


77 posted on 08/12/2003 11:08:01 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Where do Arnold and McClintock stand on California Drivers' Licenses for Illegal Aliens?)
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To: Guyin4Os
That's right, Arnold is more a Bloomberg than a Guiliani
78 posted on 08/12/2003 11:08:45 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: nyconse
Is California a Dem state or not?

See the map from the 2002 Davis/Simon race:

-PJ

79 posted on 08/12/2003 11:09:24 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Guyin4Os
"To repeat my self, Schwarzenegger is a RINO, but that is what it takes to win California"

**This is the mantra Californian Republicans have been telling themselves for the last two election cycles.**

It has been the *practice* of California Republicans for far longer than that with the predictable and verified results.

80 posted on 08/12/2003 11:11:35 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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