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Why I Am Now Behind Arnold
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Posted on 08/12/2003 9:52:14 AM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand

I have slowly come to the conclusion that California needs Arnold. Republicans need Arnold, and above all, California Republicans need Arnold.

I had been leaning towards McClintock, and I must admit, I made that decision before Arnold threw his hat into the ring. I welcomed the move when he did, but I still had reservations. I had gotten pretty excited over McClintock's vision, particularly his desire to void the Davis energy contracts and his general desire to stick it to the Democrats. I was also justifiably concerned at first about Arnold's talk of handing the treasury over to "the children".

But one has to be able to discern politics from policy. Everyone who wants to win elective office has to pay lipservice to "the children". It is the national passtime of politicians. I think when Arnold says "the children should have the first call of state Treasury" it is followed by an unspoken qualifier of "before illegal immigrants, welfare recipients, and special interests." He is simply putting forth his priorities, and they lay in stark contrast to Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamante's. He is quite savvy, so he isn't going to come out and say it in those words. He knows highlighting what is his priorities gets much better press than highlighting what isn't. He wants to reassure the soccer moms who have been frightened by Davis' threats of cutting funding to schools that he will be looking elsewhere to cut.

Arnold is very mindful of the hurdles he faces by running as a Republican in such a liberal state, so he will take extra measures to make traditional Democratic voters feel comfortable voting for him. It is what he has to do right now if he wants to win, and it seems to be working brilliantly.

Some conservatives will argue against Schwarzenegger because he opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton. But Arnold understood the articles of impeachment that were brought were a pretty weak justification. Right or wrong, they were too easily construed as a right-wing lynching. He recognized it as too divisive and knew it could only further poison the political atmosphere and ultimately damage the Republican party.

Perhaps if Ken Starr had the convictions to pursue the serious matters of Whitewater, Chinagate, Filegate, or the murder of Vincent Foster, then Arnold would have seen it differently, just as the rest of America would have. But clearly Starr had no will to do so. It's hard to understand why, but perhaps he didn't want to expose that level of corruption in the highest office out of the long-term best interest of the American political system. Exposing Clinton's ties to the Dixieland mafia and Red China could have brought the entire government to its knees. It would have been a short-term victory for Republicans, but just as Nixon understood when he covered for Kennedy and Johnson over the Pentagon Papers, the long-term damage to the nation as a whole would have been far too great. Anyways, had Clinton actually been removed from office as a lame duck on those flimsy charges, we would have a President Gore in office right now. Arnold knew, just as everyone else did, that this was not going to happen considering it required a two-thirds majority in the Senate. Surely he understood that impeachment was a lose-lose proposition for Republicans so it was a mistake to go down that road. It was important for him to remain above it all for the sake of his own political future.

Some will argue that what we need right now is someone sort of financial wizard to fix the budget, and Arnold just doesn't qualify. But the truth is we really only need someone who can admit that Gray Davis has made some huge mistakes. Anyone but Gray Davis will do.

I hate to admit it, but the whole budget crisis is being about as overplayed for political reasons as the federal deficit in the '90s was (and is again). When it comes down to brass tacks, I think even the Democrats will bite the bullet and fix it. Yes, I know you're cringing, I am too, but it's the truth. The issue here isn't that the Democrats are incapable or even unwilling to fixing the budget. It's merely about how they want to fix it: the usual liberal approach of skyrocketing taxes. Either way, California isn't going to drop into the ocean or become a third world nation.

As far as Arnold not being a "social conservative", neither am I, and neither is California. A social conservative is not going to win a statewide election here for a long time to come. I fit in more along the lines of a fiscal conservative, just as Arnold is, and a "Constitutional conservative" with libertarian tendencies. Piety is not a prerequisite for my support, and too much of it may even lose it. I don't begrudge anyone their religious beliefs, but I do belive strongly in Jefferson's "wall of seperation between church and state". I also believe in strict interpritation of the First Ammendment, and that freedom of religion also entails freedom from religion. I realize those of you in the religious-right do not agree because this doesn't reinforce your personal religious beliefs, but not everything should be about our own personal whims and narrow agendas. Defending our own freedom as individuals must always be a higher objective. Otherwise it may be you they come for next. The Constitution protects everyone, or it protects no one. I think there are a lot of people on both extremes who forget that sometimes.

Even though some will say for these various reasons that Schwarzenegger is not the ideal conservative candidate, it is important for everyone to be pragmatic and pick their battles wisely. Right now we should be looking at long-term goals. An expedient victory in the recall of a conservative candidate by a 20 percent plurality is going to be counterproductive in the long-term. What are you going to do when Bill Simon is elected and the drive to recall him begins October 8th and qualifies three weeks later?

Electing Arnold, who can come to office with a true mandate and bring California together, will pay off big in the perception wars. Conservatives will never get their agenda anywhere in California as long as it is taboo to even vote for Republicans here. The longer Democrats have a complete lock on the state, the further left we will drift. Even if Arnold can't change the course right away, he can at least slow the momentum.

Personally, my goal is the destruction of the Democratic party and the liberal agenda far more than it is advancing any conservative single-issue. I have far more hate for left-wing Democrats than I have love for right-wing Republicans. I would be happy simply with a return to sanity at this point.

You can't walk a mile until you take the first step. For right now we all need to be concentrating on the jouney one step at a time or we will never reach the final destination. You have to at least open the door, which is now closed and locked here. It seems like a lot of right-wingers around here would rather rant and rave and pound on the door in futility than grab it by the handle.

I think I've finally figured that one out. For the death-before-electibility crowd, it's not about advancing their cause on earth, it's about earning a place in heaven.

As for the rest of us, we have to make a decision: do we want a small victory, or a huge defeat?


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To: nyconse
Your arguments about polls, and your suppositions about who or who cannot win leave me cold absent some indication of a single conservative principle in Schwarzenegger's heart or mind.

There are times when you fight even when the odds are stacked against you.

Those who surrender all principle simply because someone says they can't win are cowards.
421 posted on 08/12/2003 9:06:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Doc, your reasoning is circular, and totally ignores the injustice of taking the life of the innocent unborn.

As I told you earlier today, you are a good fit to be supporting Schwarzenegger.
422 posted on 08/12/2003 9:08:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
According to the Supreme Court and reinforced in case law over the past 30 years, abortion is a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT.

And amazingly, it is still a gross injustice.

Imagine that! The courts are wrong.

Ever hear of Dred Scott?

423 posted on 08/12/2003 9:09:55 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Backbone is great; I like backbone-really. However, it's not helping in the Senate where Bush's judges are not getting confirmed. We need more Repubs in congress. We need a loyal Repub in California to help with the 2004 elections and despite some comments on this thread Arnold (I'm not typing that long last name so tough if you don't like it.) has been a loyal Republican. It would make me very, very happy to elect a conservative in California for governor, but I will settle for a mere very happy if we elect a Republican! Look at the big picture-guys.
424 posted on 08/12/2003 9:10:06 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: EternalVigilance
Is it true that when an abortion is performed, a little child dies, or not?

Is it true that everytime you masturbate God kills a kitten?


425 posted on 08/12/2003 9:11:14 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: Sabertooth
There's no way I'm going to have my vote stampeded by people who aren't thinking beyond 2004, and who don't have the knowledge or the desire for my State's best interests in them.

I agree.

That is why my vote will go to Tom McClintock.

Tom McClintock represents those conservative values I believe in with all my being.

Arnold is nothing more than a lackey for Ted Kennedy.
426 posted on 08/12/2003 9:11:15 PM PDT by Duramaximus ( American Born, Gun_Toting , Aerospace Worker Living In A State That Worships Socialism)
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To: nyconse
However, it's not helping in the Senate where Bush's judges are not getting confirmed.

See, you just don't get it.

The problem is that the Senate is full of compromisers and wimps--the very kind of people that are being touted as some kind of saviors of California.

I'm sorry, but you're delusional.

427 posted on 08/12/2003 9:14:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Doc, your reasoning is circular, and totally ignores the injustice of taking the life of the innocent unborn.

Nope, my logic is: if you can't do anything about it, then positions on the matter are moot.

428 posted on 08/12/2003 9:14:03 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: EternalVigilance
I know it is not true, but the leitmotif of so many of your posts seem grounded on the assumption that other posters are either idiots, or unaware of the consequences of their actions in the public square. That is NOT true of most posters on this site. Most act in accordance with their own conscience, and their reasoned judgment as to what choices lie before them as a practical matter, and what issues really matter in individual elections. I find it odd that you think abortion really matters in the recall election, when the governor will have no influence on that given the judicial posture, and the posture of the state legislature, which in the latter case is not going to change one iota towards your position for the forseeable future. Still I respect your wishing to make a statement on the issue. That is fine. But respect goes both ways. JMO.
429 posted on 08/12/2003 9:14:12 PM PDT by Torie
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Juvenile.
430 posted on 08/12/2003 9:14:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Torie
Sorry, but the assertion that the Governor of California is unimportant to the future of the debate over abortion is ludicrous.
431 posted on 08/12/2003 9:16:05 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Nope, my logic is: if you can't do anything about it, then positions on the matter are moot.

But sir, you are 'doing something about it'. You are helping forward it.

432 posted on 08/12/2003 9:17:23 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: ladyinred
You did a great job explaining Lady. I agree-hearts and minds must change. It is working the number of people against abortion continues to rise. The Democrats make abortion a litmus test for judges which is wrong. Republicans souldn't have a litmus test for candidates either. It won't end abortion and hurts the party.
433 posted on 08/12/2003 9:17:45 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: EternalVigilance
According to the Supreme Court and reinforced in case law over the past 30 years, abortion is a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT. And amazingly, it is still a gross injustice. Imagine that! The courts are wrong. Ever hear of Dred Scott?

Yes, I stated I think the Supreme Court GOT THE LAW WRONG on Roe v. Wade. I know all too well that Courts are capable of making bad rulings.

And I am also familiar with Dred Scott. I take it you believed the Supreme Court made a mistake when they overturned it?

434 posted on 08/12/2003 9:18:31 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: EternalVigilance
Well, I don't agree (folks are not going to change their mind on this issue based on what some governor says, particularly one from California), but in any event, you will have to find some governor of some other state, to spead the word. One stating that they will use the governor's office to agitate about abortion in your direction, is the kiss of political death in California.
435 posted on 08/12/2003 9:18:59 PM PDT by Torie
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To: nyconse
The Democrats make abortion a litmus test for judges which is wrong. Republicans souldn't have a litmus test for candidates either. It won't end abortion and hurts the party.

The Democrats just love that type of naivete.

They laugh all the way to the political bank.

436 posted on 08/12/2003 9:19:42 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
I take it you believed the Supreme Court made a mistake when they overturned it?

You are being too cute by half.

437 posted on 08/12/2003 9:20:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Torie
One stating that they will use the governor's office to agitate about abortion in your direction, is the kiss of political death in California.

Who said he had to take such a position? I didn't.

But he and his crowd tend strongly to doing the exact opposite of that.

438 posted on 08/12/2003 9:22:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
OK, let me flip it then. What Arnold thinks about abortion will not change minds about this issue either.
439 posted on 08/12/2003 9:23:49 PM PDT by Torie
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Yes, I stated I think the Supreme Court GOT THE LAW WRONG on Roe v. Wade.

So, why then do you support candidates who take the exact opposite view on such a critical life and death issue?

440 posted on 08/12/2003 9:23:56 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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