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Why I Am Now Behind Arnold
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Posted on 08/12/2003 9:52:14 AM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand

I have slowly come to the conclusion that California needs Arnold. Republicans need Arnold, and above all, California Republicans need Arnold.

I had been leaning towards McClintock, and I must admit, I made that decision before Arnold threw his hat into the ring. I welcomed the move when he did, but I still had reservations. I had gotten pretty excited over McClintock's vision, particularly his desire to void the Davis energy contracts and his general desire to stick it to the Democrats. I was also justifiably concerned at first about Arnold's talk of handing the treasury over to "the children".

But one has to be able to discern politics from policy. Everyone who wants to win elective office has to pay lipservice to "the children". It is the national passtime of politicians. I think when Arnold says "the children should have the first call of state Treasury" it is followed by an unspoken qualifier of "before illegal immigrants, welfare recipients, and special interests." He is simply putting forth his priorities, and they lay in stark contrast to Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamante's. He is quite savvy, so he isn't going to come out and say it in those words. He knows highlighting what is his priorities gets much better press than highlighting what isn't. He wants to reassure the soccer moms who have been frightened by Davis' threats of cutting funding to schools that he will be looking elsewhere to cut.

Arnold is very mindful of the hurdles he faces by running as a Republican in such a liberal state, so he will take extra measures to make traditional Democratic voters feel comfortable voting for him. It is what he has to do right now if he wants to win, and it seems to be working brilliantly.

Some conservatives will argue against Schwarzenegger because he opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton. But Arnold understood the articles of impeachment that were brought were a pretty weak justification. Right or wrong, they were too easily construed as a right-wing lynching. He recognized it as too divisive and knew it could only further poison the political atmosphere and ultimately damage the Republican party.

Perhaps if Ken Starr had the convictions to pursue the serious matters of Whitewater, Chinagate, Filegate, or the murder of Vincent Foster, then Arnold would have seen it differently, just as the rest of America would have. But clearly Starr had no will to do so. It's hard to understand why, but perhaps he didn't want to expose that level of corruption in the highest office out of the long-term best interest of the American political system. Exposing Clinton's ties to the Dixieland mafia and Red China could have brought the entire government to its knees. It would have been a short-term victory for Republicans, but just as Nixon understood when he covered for Kennedy and Johnson over the Pentagon Papers, the long-term damage to the nation as a whole would have been far too great. Anyways, had Clinton actually been removed from office as a lame duck on those flimsy charges, we would have a President Gore in office right now. Arnold knew, just as everyone else did, that this was not going to happen considering it required a two-thirds majority in the Senate. Surely he understood that impeachment was a lose-lose proposition for Republicans so it was a mistake to go down that road. It was important for him to remain above it all for the sake of his own political future.

Some will argue that what we need right now is someone sort of financial wizard to fix the budget, and Arnold just doesn't qualify. But the truth is we really only need someone who can admit that Gray Davis has made some huge mistakes. Anyone but Gray Davis will do.

I hate to admit it, but the whole budget crisis is being about as overplayed for political reasons as the federal deficit in the '90s was (and is again). When it comes down to brass tacks, I think even the Democrats will bite the bullet and fix it. Yes, I know you're cringing, I am too, but it's the truth. The issue here isn't that the Democrats are incapable or even unwilling to fixing the budget. It's merely about how they want to fix it: the usual liberal approach of skyrocketing taxes. Either way, California isn't going to drop into the ocean or become a third world nation.

As far as Arnold not being a "social conservative", neither am I, and neither is California. A social conservative is not going to win a statewide election here for a long time to come. I fit in more along the lines of a fiscal conservative, just as Arnold is, and a "Constitutional conservative" with libertarian tendencies. Piety is not a prerequisite for my support, and too much of it may even lose it. I don't begrudge anyone their religious beliefs, but I do belive strongly in Jefferson's "wall of seperation between church and state". I also believe in strict interpritation of the First Ammendment, and that freedom of religion also entails freedom from religion. I realize those of you in the religious-right do not agree because this doesn't reinforce your personal religious beliefs, but not everything should be about our own personal whims and narrow agendas. Defending our own freedom as individuals must always be a higher objective. Otherwise it may be you they come for next. The Constitution protects everyone, or it protects no one. I think there are a lot of people on both extremes who forget that sometimes.

Even though some will say for these various reasons that Schwarzenegger is not the ideal conservative candidate, it is important for everyone to be pragmatic and pick their battles wisely. Right now we should be looking at long-term goals. An expedient victory in the recall of a conservative candidate by a 20 percent plurality is going to be counterproductive in the long-term. What are you going to do when Bill Simon is elected and the drive to recall him begins October 8th and qualifies three weeks later?

Electing Arnold, who can come to office with a true mandate and bring California together, will pay off big in the perception wars. Conservatives will never get their agenda anywhere in California as long as it is taboo to even vote for Republicans here. The longer Democrats have a complete lock on the state, the further left we will drift. Even if Arnold can't change the course right away, he can at least slow the momentum.

Personally, my goal is the destruction of the Democratic party and the liberal agenda far more than it is advancing any conservative single-issue. I have far more hate for left-wing Democrats than I have love for right-wing Republicans. I would be happy simply with a return to sanity at this point.

You can't walk a mile until you take the first step. For right now we all need to be concentrating on the jouney one step at a time or we will never reach the final destination. You have to at least open the door, which is now closed and locked here. It seems like a lot of right-wingers around here would rather rant and rave and pound on the door in futility than grab it by the handle.

I think I've finally figured that one out. For the death-before-electibility crowd, it's not about advancing their cause on earth, it's about earning a place in heaven.

As for the rest of us, we have to make a decision: do we want a small victory, or a huge defeat?


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KEYWORDS: 1eternalvignotincali; california; davis; election; governor; guessmyotherid; imatroll; mcclintock; recall; schwarzenegger; schwarzenutter
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To: u-89
I just accept that not everyone shares my world view and understand we all be happier if we didn't seek government to enforce our opinions.

Excellent, that is exactly how I feel. Now if only more people felt this way too... maybe we should make it law!! It's certainly not just the religious right that tries to legislate their opinions. This is also how abortion even came to be "Constitutionally protected" in the first place, and now the liberals want to outlaw SUVs. There is little difference between the 2 extremes.

181 posted on 08/12/2003 3:07:53 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
I have two questions for you:

1> You support Schwarzenegger, but you do you know his last name? You seem to exclusively refer to him as Arnold, but he actually has a last name.

2.How come in your post, you go to great lengths to avoid mention of Tom McClintock? Very suspicous. And McClintock is not a social conservative, he is a fiscal conservative and a social Libertarian.

182 posted on 08/12/2003 3:08:47 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
In conclusion, I think you are probably one of those rightwing reactionary types who would be best served by moving to Vermont where the far-right and far-left look identical.

Sorry, I am staying right here in California. I didn't personally attack you, but you had to personally attack me, since your ideas didn't hold up. Would you call President Bush a ``rightwing reactionary types ?'' Are you just another Bush-basher?

183 posted on 08/12/2003 3:10:26 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Wait until he says what he'd do. The snippets I've seen lately say opposite. What someone says when at a Hollywood event, and what he'd do when the future of a State is on the line can be different. I saw a funny clip this afternoon. He was at some kind of dinner and he was talking about his wife. He said, "when we got married they asked me if I'd be there in sickness and in Health, till death do us part. Well.. being a Democrat is a terrible sickness!!!!" I like him.
184 posted on 08/12/2003 3:10:37 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: VOR78
You said exactly what I have been trying to say, only far more eloquently.

In other words, yeah... ditto!

185 posted on 08/12/2003 3:11:13 PM PDT by Serb5150
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To: sitetest; sinkspur
I was going to answer, but sitetest did a pretty good job. Plus, it probably wouldn't look good to switch right before the election. He has had the Republican side handed to him, so it's to his advantage.

Having said that, he may very well remain a Republican. But it remains to be seen whether he will support other Republicans. He picked as the head of his issues team a man who doesn't not support Republicans, but supports Maxine waters.

186 posted on 08/12/2003 3:13:26 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Registered
You may very well be correct. I have certainly never claimed otherwise.

But I will continue to oppose him because of his anti-life and anti-liberty political positions. Perhaps I will be nothing but a spot on the road, but maybe will have somehow succeeded in slowing the bandwagon rushing to the left a little anyhow.

Oh, and I will call him the 'Gubernator'...
187 posted on 08/12/2003 3:14:05 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Osage Orange
I probably wouldn't..have much respect for a person who thru away his core beliefs, standards, and values..in order to gain a little ground. I would hope that you wouldn't either.

My core beliefs are defeating Democrats and winning elections.

188 posted on 08/12/2003 3:17:00 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: nickcarraway
But it remains to be seen whether he will support other Republicans.

Why wouldn't he support other Republicans? You're just being paranoid, nick.

And you know very well he WILL support GWB in 2004, which will force the Dems to sink tons of cash into the state to hold on to it.

189 posted on 08/12/2003 3:17:41 PM PDT by sinkspur (Get a dog! He'll change your life!)
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To: sinkspur
I see where Arnold is outpolling Bustamante among Hispanics, and Blacks.

Another irony: Thanks to Maxine Waters, Blacks hate Cruz for his N***** remark. Old Maxine made sure that every black heard about it!

LEGAL immigrants LOVE Arnold and hate Cruz, who wants to welcome all of the illegals, and provide them with driver's licenses to boot! Think Motor-Voter!

190 posted on 08/12/2003 3:18:24 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: sinkspur
Besides, he can ride above the legislature in the polls, and beat them over the head if they don't go along with what he wants to do on the economy.

It remains to be seen whether he actually disagrees with the legislature on any issues. McClintock has gotten very specific about what authority the governor has to get things done in California. Hey, I would be gratified if Schwarzenegger came out and said he would pursue McClintock's suggestions. But I'm not naive, so far Schwarzenegger hasn't even indicated he will be a fiscal moderate.

191 posted on 08/12/2003 3:18:41 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Registered
By the way, my friend, I don't hold out any hopes at all that a Riordon-led policy team will even listen to someone like McClintock on anything.

I have believed since this started that conservatives don't have a single thing to lose by supporting a conservative to the very end here. Under any scenario I can imagine, we lose--unless we unite as a movement and actually win this thing.

If Simon would sideline himself for the good of the team, that is still possible. Not easy by any stretch, but possible.

192 posted on 08/12/2003 3:19:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Paulus Invictus
The Articles of Impeachment WERE weak. Otherwise he would have been FOUND GUILTY in the Senate.

For a man who conspired with Communists, committed murder, and was in the mob, I would say LYING is a pretty weak charge. Sorry that you disagree.
193 posted on 08/12/2003 3:20:11 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: EternalVigilance
'Amendment' only has two 'm's, not three. Even if you don't support it, you should learn to spell it, at a minimum.

You are a trog. Learn some basic comprehension skills and then re-read my posts. And I'm sure I have far worse typos you could pick apart. Now go get your dictionary.

194 posted on 08/12/2003 3:23:03 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: EternalVigilance
Arnold's agenda is not to the left of Clinton -- how can you say such a thing? You are being blinded by one your one issue and letting it cloud your judgment on other issues.

No Republican is to the left of Clinton because Clinton had no center or anything else. Guess that is why Clinton vetoed partial birth abortion -- he was so conservative. That is pure sarcasm if you haven't guessed!

You guys want to know why some of you have zero credibility with some of the Bush Republicans -- read what you had to say and then remember who vetoed partial birth abortion ban!

195 posted on 08/12/2003 3:25:30 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (VOTE FOR ARNOLD -- GOP's Best Chance to Tank Hillary for 2004 and beyond!)
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To: Quix
*bingo*!!

You've just stated what I have been thinking. You are absolutely 100% correct because Ah-nold is not a politician, but a primal force of nature.

One Terminator good line on TV and the constituents of any recalcitrant Rat in Sacramento will come looking for his head - that will put the fear of the Almighty into the Rats, and they'll fall in line like the Rats did in Congress in '81 for RR.

Out.
196 posted on 08/12/2003 3:27:05 PM PDT by Al Simmons
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To: PhiKapMom
For many, the perfect is the enemy of the good.
197 posted on 08/12/2003 3:27:41 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
It's only a typo if you accidently make a mistake. I would never jump on that, since we all do it. Perfect editing is not an FR requisite. But when you do it repeatedly, with the same word, it is not hard to figure that you don't know how to spell it. Hence my correction of what is a visually aggravating mistake.

Your support of Schwarzenegger leads me to the belief that you don't understand the concepts behind the Second Amendment either.

You can claim to be pro-gun til your face turns blue, but when you empower politicians who despise our God-given unalienable rights, you are in any case functionally anti-gun/anti-self-defense.
198 posted on 08/12/2003 3:31:35 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: PhiKapMom
Bill and Hill are not so far left that they have openly endorsed gay marriage and gay adoption, as Schwarzenegger has.

Your 'one-issue' slur is offensive, trite and boring...as well as being a falsehood.
199 posted on 08/12/2003 3:33:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
You wrote:

"My core beliefs are defeating Democrats and winning elections."

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Lol....I've been rendered speechless

200 posted on 08/12/2003 3:34:06 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Bill Clinton's heart is as black and dirty as the devil's riding boots....!!!)
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