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'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms
Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | 11/22/2002 | ALAN I. LESHNER

Posted on 06/22/2003 5:29:39 PM PDT by Aric2000

In Cobb County, Ga., controversy erupted this spring when school board officials decided to affix "disclaimer stickers" to science textbooks, alerting students that "evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things."

The stickers were the Cobb County District School Board's response to intelligent design theory, which holds that the complexity of DNA and the diversity of life forms on our planet and beyond can be explained only by an extra-natural intelligent agent. The ID movement -- reminiscent of creationism but more nuanced and harder to label -- has been quietly gaining momentum in a number of states for several years, especially Georgia and Ohio.

Stickers on textbooks are only the latest evidence of the ID movement's successes to date, though Cobb County officials did soften their position somewhat in September following a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia. In a subsequent policy statement, officials said the biological theory of evolution is a "disputed view" that must be "balanced" in the classroom, taking into account other, religious teachings.

Surely, few would begrudge ID advocates their views or the right to discuss the concept as part of religious studies. At issue, rather, is whether ID theory, so far unproven by scientific facts, should be served to students on the same platter with the well-supported theory of evolution.

How the Cobb County episode will affect science students remains uncertain since, as the National Center for Science Education noted, the amended policy statement included "mixed signals."

But it's clear that the ID movement is quickly emerging as one of the more significant threats to U.S. science education, fueled by a sophisticated marketing campaign based on a three-pronged penetration of the scientific community, educators and the general public.

In Ohio, the state's education board on Oct. 14 passed a unanimous though preliminary vote to keep ID theory out of the state's science classrooms. But the board's ruling left the door open for local school districts to present ID theory together with science and suggested that scientists should "continue to investigate and critically analyze aspects of evolutionary theory."

In fact, even while the state-level debate continued, the Patrick Henry Local School District, based in Columbus, passed a motion this June to support "the idea of intelligent design being included as appropriate in classroom discussions in addition to other scientific theories."

Undaunted by tens of thousands of e-mails it has already received on the topic, the state's education board is now gamely inviting further public comment through November. In December, Ohio's Board of Education will vote to conclusively determine whether alternatives to evolution should be included in new guidelines that spell out what students need to know about science at different grade levels.

Meanwhile, ID theorists reportedly have been active in Missouri, Kansas, New Mexico, New Jersey and other states as well as Ohio and Georgia.

What do scientists think of all this? We have great problems with the claim that ID is a scientific theory or a science-based alternative to evolutionary theory. We don't question its religious or philosophical underpinnings. That's not our business. But there is no scientific evidence underlying ID theory.

No relevant research has been done; no papers have been published in scientific journals. Because it has no science base, we believe that ID theory should be excluded from science curricula in schools.

In fact, the Board of Directors of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), the largest general scientific society in the world, passed a resolution this month urging policy-makers to keep intelligent design theory out of U.S. science classrooms.

Noting that the United States has promised to "leave no child behind," the AAAS Board found that intelligent design theory -- if presented within science courses as factually based -- is likely to confuse American schoolchildren and undermine the integrity of U.S. science education. At a time when standards-based learning and performance assessments are paramount, children would be better served by keeping scientific information separate from religious concepts.

Certainly, American society supports and encourages a broad range of viewpoints and the scientific community is no exception. While this diversity enriches the educational experience for students, science and conceptual belief systems should not be co-mingled, as ID proponents have repeatedly proposed.

The ID argument that random mutations in nature and natural selection, for example, are too complex for scientific explanation is an interesting -- and for some, highly compelling -- philosophical or theological concept. Unfortunately, it's being put forth as a scientifically based alternative to the theory of biological evolution, and it isn't based on science. In sum, there's no data to back it up, and no way of scientifically testing the validity of the ideas proposed by ID advocates.

The quality of U.S. science education is at stake here. We live in an era when science and technology are central to every issue facing our society -- individual and national security, health care, economic prosperity, employment opportunities.

Children who lack an appropriate grounding in science and mathematics, and who can't discriminate what is and isn't evidence, are doomed to lag behind their well-educated counterparts. America's science classrooms are certainly no place to mix church and state.

Alan I. Leshner is CEO of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and executive publisher of the journal Science; www.aaas.org


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To: PatrickHenry
1201?

An I-was-on-vacation-and-missed-the-whole- thread bump.

1,201 posted on 06/29/2003 2:20:35 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Aric2000
Until science can prove the existence of nothing, then all science can be used to equally prove what would appear as opposites in the same conclusion. Science has proven that all creation has a creator. Until they prove otherwise, they will continue down the eternal road of trying to prove a negative: that God does not exist. What they will find, however, if the eternities give them sufficient time to discover it, is the surface area of a toenail of what us religionists respectfully phrase as and bow to is the very feet of GOD.

O the irony of scientists studying the creations with the determination to show that God does not exist

As compared to the religionist who studies the very character of the Creator of all this.

1,202 posted on 06/29/2003 4:24:00 PM PDT by Arrowhead
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To: Arrowhead
Are you really this way? Or do you just play this on the internet?

Science can NEITHER PROVE NOR DISPROVE the existence of god, therefore science CANNOT use god as a causation.

What? The fact that the sun is the center of the solar system, somehow disproves the existence of god?

The discovery of DNA somehow disproves the existence of god? The discovery of transitional fossils somehow disproves the existence of god?

Get a clue, science does NOT USE god, because it cannot prove nore disprove the existence of god.

Get over yourself already.
1,203 posted on 06/29/2003 7:12:41 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Aric2000
Well, DUUUUHHHH. Of course science does not "use god." How can it use something that it does not believe in? Better question: How can it use something that it tries to disprove?

If you are anything of a scientist (probably a wanna-be), then you should be able to understand the SIMPLE logic purported here.

Do not pretend that you do not know that scientists conclusions that no God exists until it can be proven is not behind a motivating design in their discovery? If you deny this, then you are just plain stupid and not worth my time debating.

But, just to settle this crazy dialogue once and for all: God exists because I have seen him. While yeh-whos like yourself thrive on the empirical being based on what you see, smell, etc., then perhaps you could find a small place in that small heart of yours to believe me. But, hey, what do I know? I am only one in thousands who have seen Deity. Yet if he cannot be place flat out on a piece of glass underneath a microscope, then you absolutely refuse to believe it. Well, tough titty said the kitty, but your mind is just too sour. tah tah

Arrowhead-------know-it-all-scientists--->
1,204 posted on 07/01/2003 9:53:54 AM PDT by Arrowhead
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To: Arrowhead; Aric2000
Do not pretend that you do not know that scientists conclusions that no God exists until it can be proven is not behind a motivating design in their discovery? If you deny this, then you are just plain stupid and not worth my time debating.

This is simply not true. Science and most scientists do not involve a creator one way or the other in their research. Science is science and faith is faith. I have yet to meet a scientist who set out to conclude God did not exist. In fact, if that was the case, I would consider him/her a dishonest scientist.

1,205 posted on 07/01/2003 11:27:58 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
honest placemarker
1,206 posted on 07/02/2003 12:16:59 PM PDT by js1138
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To: RadioAstronomer
Another Honest Placemarker
1,207 posted on 07/03/2003 8:27:06 AM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: RadioAstronomer
a dishonest scientist.

uri geller honesty placemakers aren't they ?

Kiting - bending - spinning science ... minds of adults and little children --- websites too !

1,208 posted on 07/03/2003 1:04:50 PM PDT by f.Christian (( Shock -- revelations (( designed universe )) ... AWE --- you haven't seen anything - yet ))
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To: Aric2000
ID may not be all one way. Not all who consider some form of ID are one way.

I say it is the way & evolution is the design-the end product, the highest tool. It's God's casino & he sets the rules-he knows how many times the dice will roll boxcars & 7's, by the laws of physics. If one controls physics, one controls the whole show. The casino opened with the Big Bang. We may never have much more in the way of clues.

I say there is no conflict between theology & science.
1,209 posted on 07/03/2003 6:46:58 PM PDT by GatekeeperBookman
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To: js1138
honest placemarker

:-)

1,210 posted on 07/03/2003 8:25:59 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Aric2000; js1138
Another Honest Placemarker

:-)

LOL double post hehehe

1,211 posted on 07/03/2003 8:27:17 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: GatekeeperBookman
Welcome to the club, too bad more of us do not feel that way.

Because an awful lot of us believe just as you do, but many others just cannot handle that. And because we do NOT believe EXACTLY as they do, we are atheists, and will rot in eternal fire forever.

It is a sad, sad thing.
1,212 posted on 07/03/2003 8:47:16 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Good evening RA, how are you doing?

Have you seen the other thread that I pinged you to?

Pretty cool stuff!!
1,213 posted on 07/03/2003 8:47:58 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Aric2000
Good evening RA, how are you doing?

Doing well but have been terribly busy the past few days. I have not even caught up with the thread that featured me (freepers finest on tuesday) yet. Indeed I seen the pings and am getting there now. :-)

1,214 posted on 07/03/2003 9:36:41 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Aric2000
I am equally appalled with the 'scientists' who would deny God. They are, for me, the larger fools.
1,215 posted on 07/04/2003 2:56:57 AM PDT by GatekeeperBookman
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To: GatekeeperBookman
deny god?

I don't understand what you mean.

Most scientists are theists, they believe in god.

Scientists cannot use god as a causation in their work.

Scientists can neither prove nor disprove the existence of god. therefore god cannot be used in science.

As a personal belief? Many do believe in god, but they do not deny god by not using god in science, because if they did, it would not be science, it would be religion.
1,216 posted on 07/04/2003 8:34:02 AM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Aric2000
I do not mean you ( sir or madame ) & I do not mean that God should be presented as any causation in an experimental model. I mean that I have seen people quoted who declare all too hapily that they have no personal belief in any God. I mean scientists who make this observation, are the ones who I would expect to confirm God.
1,217 posted on 07/04/2003 8:00:33 PM PDT by GatekeeperBookman
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To: GatekeeperBookman
Science beyond evolution is too complicated for dope heads (( over-indulgence )) to figure out ...

prayer --- deliverance is the only solution !

1,218 posted on 07/05/2003 1:57:25 AM PDT by f.Christian (( Shock -- revelations (( designed universe )) ... AWE --- you haven't seen anything - yet ))
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To: f.Christian
Prayer leads to a clear understanding of oneself, one's place in the larger order, & thus, gives a hint of the magnitude of the the work of God. We may see only a hint-but that is sufficient. This can be true even for the children of the Material Age-if they only try, it can show them order, give them self-discipline & a new perspective.
1,219 posted on 07/06/2003 4:43:09 AM PDT by GatekeeperBookman
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