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To: Elsie
Your #167: While I do appreciate your opinion, I'd like to see an official LDS publication that picks apart these creeds. The very foundation of your belief is built upon them being wrong, terrible and an 'abomination'. Therefore, if your organization is going to make such a bold claim, it must have very powerful arguments against them.

"The very foundation"? Our foundation is Christ.

People keep repeating what Jesus said to Joseph Smith when he asked which church to join, and when they repeat His words, they emphasize the words "creeds" and "abomination". So I offer my understanding of why He would consider the creeds an abomination in His sight. That's all.

173 posted on 01/03/2004 12:10:50 AM PST by White Mountain (By their fruits ye shall know them.)
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To: White Mountain
"The very foundation"? Our foundation is Christ.
 
I do not see how this is possible.
 
 
Paul said a lot of things about 'foundations': consider..........
 

NIV 1 Corinthians 3:10-11
 10.  By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds.
 11.  For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
 
 
Ephesians 2:19-20
 19.  Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household,
 20.  built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:14-16
 14.  Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these instructions so that,
 15.  if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
 16.  Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

If, as Joseph Smith has said, the KJV IS reliable,
then he should have been pointed to IT,
to be revealed the TRUTH in IT,
to understand God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit thru IT,
and to then start an organization built on IT.
 
But history shows us that he did not.  By that very act, he casts doubt on the veracity of the KJV bible.  He yanks OUT the foundation that Protestants had come to stand upon, and proceeds to produce another, a supposedly STRONGER one that does not have the holes in it that he alledges that some faceless 'churchmen' have dug in the past, removing some very important 'truths'.
 
 
Luther did not want to start a 'new' church, but merely correct the old one, using the existing writings as the foundation.  The Protestants did not dig out any 'missing' doctrines, but showed how the 'church' had drifted away from the truth contained in the bible. 
 
 
No, if you are going to stand on NEW ideas, then the OLD ones HAVE to be shown to be defective.  So far, this has not been the case.

176 posted on 01/03/2004 1:47:15 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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