Recent job ad: H1 transfers (Taking American Jobs)

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[1stFreedom]

Folks,

I've been looking for a job for weeks without success. While searching on Dice.com, I found an ad targeting anyone with an H1 visa to transfer!

Whoever says workers on visas don't take jobs from Americans is smoking crack.

Foreign workers send money "home" thereby taking money out of the US economy. They take both old and new jobs away from Citizens. This might be fine during times of economic boom, but it's a shame during times like now.

Call and write your representatives in Congress asking them to, on an emergency basis, deny ALL H1 and L1 visas and related transfers. They may give you the excuse that they don't want to have the jobs shipped overseas, but don't accept that excuse. Ask them to impose heavy tarrifs or taxes on corporations that relocate thier IT work.

Tons of IT people have been out of work for some time now, and it's reached a boiling point.

I hate to say it, but I think we'll have more success with the Dems then the Pubbies.

(One thing the Pubbies are not considering is that many IT professionals are in fact incorporated and are small businesses.)

DICE Search results:

Title: H1 transfers Skills: JAVA, J2EE, EJB, oracle, DB2, SQL Server, Seibel, .net, VB, ASP, peoplesoft, CRM, Business analyst, 21 cfr PART 11, QA testers

Date: 4-7-2003 Location: Edison, NJ Area code: 732

Tax term: FULLTIME Pay rate: DOE Length: permanent

Position ID: AS202 Dice ID: 10108743

Job description: We are looking for a qualified candidates who are looking to transfer their H1. The candidates will be interviewed in their respective fields by experts and if selected will be considered for further training conducted in house. Salary will be based on skills. Local candidates preferred but is not a limitation. Good communication skills required.

Requirements: JAVA, J2EE, EJB, oracle, DB2, SQL Server, Seibel, .net, VB, ASP, peoplesoft, CRM, Business analyst, 21 cfr PART 11, QA testers Travel required: none Telecommute: no

[ninenot]

is entirely anti-capitalistic

Unfortunately, you seem to wish that Capitalism become the State Religion. You are wrong.

charitable hand outs

Get serious. One who expects that his country (WE pay the taxes, not the H1B's) "provide for the common good" is NOT looking for a handout.

[bvw]

Yet I also belive in a constant series of temporary ad-hoc alliances with other nations as serves our national interest, and am also more favorable to liberal allowances for immigration -- by the book, restrained and regulated, yet erring towards allowing the immigrant, with rare exception. One exception would be, in current times, Muslim Arabs and Indonesians.

[joesnuffy]

H1 and L1 transfers are taking jobs from ENGLISH speaking folks. Half of my sons' college professors are barely literate or articulate in English. And we need this as well?,/i>

Wait until you have to get medical treatment in a VA hospital... If you want to know what socialized medicine (aka hiltlery care) check into a VA Medical Center Try to explain what your symptoms are....or understand what treatment you will be getting will be... scarry stuff...

[clamper1797]

As already pointed out on thread, our students come out of school with a debt burden that -- it alone -- makes them uncompetitive with imported labor.

Well said ... AND usually the foreign worker works here for 5 years or so and saves all he can by living in a cheap apartment with 10 others. After 5 years or so he moves BACK to his home country and lives like a king on his home's depressed 3rd world economy. That option is NOT available to American citizens who have to live in THIS economy. American workers CANNOT compete with foreign workers here or in other countries .... especially foreign countries that engage in slave labor like China.

It has NOTHING to do with free labor or free markets.

[ninenot]

Well, you will have a problem with the various individuals (engineers and IT workers are only the beginning...) who will be displaced by cheapo imported folks.

I think we are in basic agreement. It's 'at the margins' where things get difficult.

[clamper1797]

You are the one who is unreasonable here. Nobody is promoting entitlements. Well, you are entitling yourself to speak for a@@holes I would say.

I'll second that !!!

[dljordan]

Our wonderful government is directly responsible for letting foreign workers into America to take our jobs. You're pretty hard on your fellow Americans who, after all, aren't asking for welfare. How can we compete without lowering our salaries to a half or less than what they are. We need all of what we earn to pay the Feds there tax money.

[smpc]

'If there were no types from other countries, then the job you have would belong to an american.'

I dont use the H1B visa but i have spent time living in the US conducting business.In our time there we employed American workers in a field where there previously wasnt work for them at all.

[Viva Le Dissention]

Oh, I see--you won't accept one form of government handout, but you expect another, in the form of the Government ordering a business to give you a job?

Sorry, I just don't see the difference. You are begging for a handout, and when the market hasn't complied, you are complaining.

Let me let you in on a little secret: there is no right to work. Not God-given, and certainly not capitalistic. The only "right" to work is in a Communist or Socialist country. It is a government granted "right" for which you are pining.

As a capitalist pig, I advocate that no one has the right to work. You simply are not "entitled" to a job. Jobs, like any other resource, are scare. These scare jobs go to the people best qualified to fill these positions. If you are not among these people, sorry for your luck. You don't have a right to work.

So it's not an open bid situation? So what? Find another job, find another field of labor. In a Capitalist marketplace, the business has complete and unquestioned authority to make any unemployment decisions, with no restrictions. This is why "equal opportunity" laws are some of the most repugnant, anti-capitalist laws on the books today. It doesn't matter whether you are being discriminated against. It doesn't matter if a company won't hire you because you are black, or in this case, because you are an American. Who cares? The company has complete and total sovereignty to determine its hiring decisions. If it wants to employ no one but three legged midgets, then that is its right. Along those same lines, if it wants to employ no one but WASP Males, then that is its right, too.

You are right when you say that you are part of what makes this country, but it's not one of the more flattering parts. Unfortunately, it's part of what has been holding this country back since around the turn of the century.

[timm22]

Ask them to impose heavy tarrifs or taxes on corporations that relocate thier IT work.

Sorry folks, this was the line that caught my attention and brought about my comment about government intervention. I have no major objections to changes in the H1B program. I just think it is important to realize that it's not the government's role to make sure you have a job in the field you want.

[elfman2]

"The reason no Americans want to train for the field is because cheap foriegn labor drives down the wages to the level where it is no longer worthwhile for an American. No patriot should be happy about our technical fields being dominated by foriegners."

You only show your ignorance, like many other projectionists here. In 92, computers and networking was clearly the way to command high salaries. For almost 10 years, it pulled in nearly six figures or more. Noone capable of passing the class passed on the class because there was no money in it. They passed on it because it had a reputation of being tough. The whole computer science major was tough at Cal State University Chico. Over half of the students were Asian, not because salaries were in the tank. The opposite was true. Salaries were great! But the Americans at the dominantly white school refused to take a tough major. They weren't hungry enough. You don't know what you're talking about.

[Centurion2000]

Apply for that job. When they turn you down, IMMEDIATELY sue for discrimintation based on national origin. Based on the job posting, you have an open and shut case.

[BrooklynGOP]

but you expect another, in the form of the Government ordering a business to give you a job?

Your analogy is faulty. You don't invite people over your house if you don't have any food in the frige.

[MineralMan]

"How are American kids supposed to afford a $100,000+ college degree on a maximum salary of $60-70K a year? "

They do it all the time, and often for smaller salaries than that. Consider teachers. Their average starting salary is about half what you state, yet they are in school for at least 5 years.

It's part of the process these days.

[Viva Le Dissention]

Whether the handout comes from Government handing out a check or from the Government forbidding domestic corporations to hire foreigners, the end results are both the same.

[1stFreedom]

>>Oh, I see--you won't accept one form of government handout, but you expect another, in the form of the Government ordering a business to give you a job?

No you idiot. I'm not asking the govt to Order IBM to give me a job. I'm asking that the Govt rescind the policy that hurts it's own citizens.

I want a level playing field. From there the market will work on supply on demand. From there rates and salaries will be negotiated. When H1B's are introduced, it's not a level playing field.

>>You are begging for a handout, and when the market hasn't complied, you are complaining.

Nobody is begging. If I were begging I'd get unemployment, go on medicade, collect welfare, etc. That is a handout. You are an idiot.

>>Let me let you in on a little secret: there is no right to work.

Ok, you are a genius among men. You know better than say, the Christian Church. Wow. You must be brilliant. Imagine being profoundly more intelligent and gifted than St. Aquinas, St. Augustine, Pope John Paul II, etc.

The right to work is God Given. At its bare minimum, no State can grant you the right to feed your family. The only thing a State can do is interfere in one way or another. Unless someone stands over you head with a gun and forces you not to work, the opportunity to do so is there. It's like the right to breathe -- the State really can't do much about it short of killing you. It's a God given right.

>>The only "right" to work is in a Communist or Socialist country.

That kind of "right" is not the Right given by God. That "right" is the philosophies of man. This "right" is not a good idea, just as your philosophy that there is not a right to work is a bad idea. Capitalism is not ifallable.

>>This is why "equal opportunity" laws are some of the most repugnant, anti-capitalist laws on the books today.

As a minority citizen, I agree. I refuse to take advantage of such programs. I refuse to enroll in medical school using this "advantage". It's unjust.

>>The company has complete and total sovereignty to determine its hiring decisions.

That's not true. If it were, H1's would not exist because a company could just hire anyone.

>>You are right when you say that you are part of what makes this country, but it's not one of the more flattering parts.

Ok, a second generation American, coming from a low income family, gets a degree, works his butt off for years, creates a business that helps employ others, believes in conservative principles, believes in self reliance, is a blight to this country?

Damn, Miguel Estrada and I must have lots in common. We are just poor reprentatives of the American Dream.

[Viva Le Dissention]

Well, I guess that's not QUITE true.

The latter is a little different in that the faux conservative can delude himself into thinking he didn't get a handout from the government and that he "earned" his money.

Of course, it's like being hired for a job when no one else applied. You didn't earn it.

[1stFreedom]

>>I just think it is important to realize that it's not the government's role to make sure you have a job in the field you want.

It's not. The govt isn't an employment agency. It's up to me to make sure I have a job. It's up to the govt to keep the companies from exporting jobs to save a few dollars.

[MineralMan]

"What an absolute pant load ... it WAS the gubmint that started this STUPID program now they need to stop it ... and stop it NOW"

What makes you think the government _wants_ to stop it. It's helping the corporations, isn't it? They get their workers at a lower cost. So...where's the impetus to change the system?

[A. Pole]

As a capitalist pig, I advocate that no one has the right to work. You simply are not "entitled" to a job. Jobs, like any other resource, are scare. These scare jobs go to the people best qualified to fill these positions. If you are not among these people, sorry for your luck. You don't have a right to work.

But people are not just isolated individual/monads who have absolute rights and enter in the contracts. There is such thing like obligations and solidarity, family and nations.

Societies did not start by the contract between lone savages dropped from the sky. Men are born in the families without previous contract, they are member of tribe or larger community and they need to help one another. Without this the society will fall apart and will be replaced by the strangers.

Free market utopia was possible to try in XIXc when most of people lived out off farming and did not have bills to pay. During the depression they could grow their own food and wait. In XX c economic crisis lead to different solutions. (like in Russia or Germany or at best New Deal in US). Today the possibility to fall back on subsistence farming is even harder. "Who does not remember history is doomed to repeat it."