[Viva Le Dissention]

Oh, I see--you won't accept one form of government handout, but you expect another, in the form of the Government ordering a business to give you a job?

Sorry, I just don't see the difference. You are begging for a handout, and when the market hasn't complied, you are complaining.

Let me let you in on a little secret: there is no right to work. Not God-given, and certainly not capitalistic. The only "right" to work is in a Communist or Socialist country. It is a government granted "right" for which you are pining.

As a capitalist pig, I advocate that no one has the right to work. You simply are not "entitled" to a job. Jobs, like any other resource, are scare. These scare jobs go to the people best qualified to fill these positions. If you are not among these people, sorry for your luck. You don't have a right to work.

So it's not an open bid situation? So what? Find another job, find another field of labor. In a Capitalist marketplace, the business has complete and unquestioned authority to make any unemployment decisions, with no restrictions. This is why "equal opportunity" laws are some of the most repugnant, anti-capitalist laws on the books today. It doesn't matter whether you are being discriminated against. It doesn't matter if a company won't hire you because you are black, or in this case, because you are an American. Who cares? The company has complete and total sovereignty to determine its hiring decisions. If it wants to employ no one but three legged midgets, then that is its right. Along those same lines, if it wants to employ no one but WASP Males, then that is its right, too.

You are right when you say that you are part of what makes this country, but it's not one of the more flattering parts. Unfortunately, it's part of what has been holding this country back since around the turn of the century.

[BrooklynGOP]

but you expect another, in the form of the Government ordering a business to give you a job?

Your analogy is faulty. You don't invite people over your house if you don't have any food in the frige.

[1stFreedom]

>>Oh, I see--you won't accept one form of government handout, but you expect another, in the form of the Government ordering a business to give you a job?

No you idiot. I'm not asking the govt to Order IBM to give me a job. I'm asking that the Govt rescind the policy that hurts it's own citizens.

I want a level playing field. From there the market will work on supply on demand. From there rates and salaries will be negotiated. When H1B's are introduced, it's not a level playing field.

>>You are begging for a handout, and when the market hasn't complied, you are complaining.

Nobody is begging. If I were begging I'd get unemployment, go on medicade, collect welfare, etc. That is a handout. You are an idiot.

>>Let me let you in on a little secret: there is no right to work.

Ok, you are a genius among men. You know better than say, the Christian Church. Wow. You must be brilliant. Imagine being profoundly more intelligent and gifted than St. Aquinas, St. Augustine, Pope John Paul II, etc.

The right to work is God Given. At its bare minimum, no State can grant you the right to feed your family. The only thing a State can do is interfere in one way or another. Unless someone stands over you head with a gun and forces you not to work, the opportunity to do so is there. It's like the right to breathe -- the State really can't do much about it short of killing you. It's a God given right.

>>The only "right" to work is in a Communist or Socialist country.

That kind of "right" is not the Right given by God. That "right" is the philosophies of man. This "right" is not a good idea, just as your philosophy that there is not a right to work is a bad idea. Capitalism is not ifallable.

>>This is why "equal opportunity" laws are some of the most repugnant, anti-capitalist laws on the books today.

As a minority citizen, I agree. I refuse to take advantage of such programs. I refuse to enroll in medical school using this "advantage". It's unjust.

>>The company has complete and total sovereignty to determine its hiring decisions.

That's not true. If it were, H1's would not exist because a company could just hire anyone.

>>You are right when you say that you are part of what makes this country, but it's not one of the more flattering parts.

Ok, a second generation American, coming from a low income family, gets a degree, works his butt off for years, creates a business that helps employ others, believes in conservative principles, believes in self reliance, is a blight to this country?

Damn, Miguel Estrada and I must have lots in common. We are just poor reprentatives of the American Dream.

[A. Pole]

As a capitalist pig, I advocate that no one has the right to work. You simply are not "entitled" to a job. Jobs, like any other resource, are scare. These scare jobs go to the people best qualified to fill these positions. If you are not among these people, sorry for your luck. You don't have a right to work.

But people are not just isolated individual/monads who have absolute rights and enter in the contracts. There is such thing like obligations and solidarity, family and nations.

Societies did not start by the contract between lone savages dropped from the sky. Men are born in the families without previous contract, they are member of tribe or larger community and they need to help one another. Without this the society will fall apart and will be replaced by the strangers.

Free market utopia was possible to try in XIXc when most of people lived out off farming and did not have bills to pay. During the depression they could grow their own food and wait. In XX c economic crisis lead to different solutions. (like in Russia or Germany or at best New Deal in US). Today the possibility to fall back on subsistence farming is even harder. "Who does not remember history is doomed to repeat it."