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To: jimt
Like the right to own property, free from goobermint confiscation through "asset forfeiture"?
Change your habits/your lifestyle
Like the right to be secure in our homes and persons, free from ninja suited rambo wannabes breaking in our houses and shooting unarmed people?
Change your habits/your lifestyle and your friends
Like the right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure, like those conducted at road blocks and traffic stops?
Change your habits/your lifestyle and your friends and those you associate with
All these things and more are the consequences of your beloved WOsD.
Nope.

They are a result of chocies yo nake regarding your habits/your lifestyle and your friends and those you choose to associate with ...

41 posted on 02/28/2003 12:38:50 PM PST by _Jim (//NASA has a better safety record than NASCAR\\)
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To: _Jim
They are a result of chocies yo nake regarding your habits/your lifestyle and your friends and those you choose to associate with ...

That's an astoundingly uninformed answer.

Over 80% of the people who get their property ripped off by the goobermint are never even charged with a crime, let alone convicted.

There have been hundreds of incidents where rambo drug warriors kicked in doors - only to find out they were in the wrong house, or that there were no drugs.

For the hundreds stopped and harassed at roadblocks, very few are found with drugs.

And seeing as you know zip about my "lifestyle", try changing yours and begin thinking for a change.

47 posted on 02/28/2003 12:56:35 PM PST by jimt
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To: _Jim
Change your habits/your lifestyle

Oh, so it's ok for the government to take someone's property without convicting them or even charging them with any crime because you don't like their lifestyle? And you think this is in any way compatible with the principles of limited government and individual rights?

57 posted on 02/28/2003 1:07:01 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: _Jim
Change your habits/your lifestyle

I guess you think Jim Robinson had better change his habits/lifestyle, eh?

"I am adamantly opposed to swat raids, no knock warrants, illegal searches, illegal phone taps, violations of privacy, roadblocks, asset forfeiture, etc., etc." - Jim Robinson

65 posted on 02/28/2003 1:11:10 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: _Jim
Like the right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure, like those conducted at road blocks and traffic stops?

Change your habits/your lifestyle and your friends and those you associate with

I was alone after working a 12 hour shift on Saturday, hungry as hell, not in a good mood, and what do I find? A huge traffic jam outside of the office (I work in a city). In the time it took me to crawl one city block, I could have been home, fed, and asleep. I finally got to the blockage and found that it was not an accident, but a DUI checkpoint. There was no probable cause to stop me or those in the traffic snarl with me. Some made U turns and perhaps those were the drunks. The rest of us rolled down our windows and were asked questions by the cops. In my heart I knew this was abuse of authority and I hated those police and the politicians who put them there. I've cooled off now. But looking back, and this may be a bit of a stretch, I believe my time is my own and of value to me (even greater value when I'm starved) and others and I have a property right in it. That property right was violated that night as it cost me an amount of time significant to me. It also made me feel degraded to have to answer to a cop when I had not done anything wrong. If I am going about my business peacefully, law-abidingly, I want to be left the hell alone.

This time it was not my habits or my friends that was the problem. It was the presumption that the police can jam up traffic and "screen" all drivers in search of the drunk. If they want to catch a minority of drunks they should be driving around looking for the symptoms, not bothering the innocent majority.
125 posted on 02/28/2003 1:47:45 PM PST by Jason_b
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To: _Jim
Like the right to own property, free from goobermint confiscation through "asset forfeiture"?

Change your habits/your lifestyle

Like the right to be secure in our homes and persons, free from ninja suited rambo wannabes breaking in our houses and shooting unarmed people?

Change your habits/your lifestyle and your friends

Like the right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure, like those conducted at road blocks and traffic stops?

Change your habits/your lifestyle and your friends and those you associate with

All these things and more are the consequences of your beloved WOsD.

Nope.

They are a result of chocies yo nake regarding your habits/your lifestyle and your friends and those you choose to associate with ...

Hey, sheepdip _Jim, as long as we're all changing our lifestyles to conform to YOUR specs, dno't forget to list ALL the changes we need to make: Like, don't own property that can be coveted by drug warriors and "justify" a raid that will get you killed trying to defend yourself and your wife... as did the late Donald Scott. I'm sure he would have greatly benefitted from your advice.

345 posted on 03/02/2003 2:17:11 PM PST by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
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