WHAT DID HAPPEN TO FLIGHT 93?

mirror.co.uk ^ | 1/27/03 | RICHARD WALLACE

[OneLoyalAmerican]

It seems the eyewitness Flight 93 story get embellished each it's retold.
*It seems the eyewitness Flight 93 story get embellished each time it's retold.

[Polycarp]

the eyewitness Flight 93 story

Actually, what I see related in this story is the same as I've heard locally from day one.

The only new items are the siesmic data and this:

At 9.58am a 911 call - the last mobile phone contact from Flight 93 - was made from one of the airliner's toilets by passenger Edward Felt.

Glenn Cramer, the emergency supervisor who answered it, said on the day: "He was very distraught. He said he believed the plane was going down.

"He did hear some sort of an explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, but he didn't know where. And then we lost contact with him." Glenn Cramer has now been gagged by the FBI.

Also, according to sources, the last seconds of the cockpit voice recorder are the loud sounds of wind, hinting at a possible hole somewhere in the fuselage. What caused the smoke and explosion? Why the wind sounds?

Otherwise, I'd say you are incorrect. The eyewitness accounts have not changed from what I've heard locally since 9/11/02.

Are you a local too? Otherwise how do you know they've been embellished?

[Polycarp]

jettisoned to FR's version of Siberia

At least this one wasn't exiled to the Religion Forum ghetto...

[Fred Mertz]

I can't believe this discussion has been relegated to the smokey backroom....

Just thought I'd express my opinion and let you see what happened with this article discussion.

[PennsylvaniaMom]

Thank you for posting the article. Many of the FReepers who posted here are not aware of the local accounts. I don't think that it is 'tinfoil' time to discuss this article (in light of the eyewitness accounts that were reported in the Somerset area).

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Greetings Polycarp, FReepers, et al:
A section of engine weighing a ton was located 2,000 yards - over a mile -from the crash site. Theorists point out a Sidewinder heat-seeking missile attacks the hottest part of aircraft - the engine.
More bovine excrement. Just a small bolt passing through the compressor vanes utterly destroys a gas turbine engine. And we are supposed to believe a heat-seeking missile leaves the engine intact.

[Polycarp]

I can't believe this discussion has been relegated to the smokey backroom....

Me neither.

Any explanation, mods?

Could it be restored to the News forum? This is a legit discussion. It is no bad mark on the White House if the premise of this story is true...quite the opposite. It would indicate we have adults who understand difficult realities in the White House.

[hmmmmm]

For what it's worth... I've held hope, since 9/11, that Flight 93's demise was solely a result of the actions of it's passengers. That's what I want to believe. The thought that any of our Service members would have had to put an end to this flight is heartbreaking but it's also a valid possibility. These men (and women), who protect us on a daily basis, should never have had to be in this type of situation yet they most likely were. The infighting about "did they/didn't they" is not helpful. Should we learn that the military did, indeed, have to shoot down a passenger plane... who benefits from that knowledge?

[Polycarp]

A section of engine weighing a ton was located 2,000 yards - over a mile -from the crash site.

More bovine excrement.

This crash site was excavated like the strip mine where it occured. The piece were buried in the soft earth, up to 45 feet deep, and had to be literally dug up. There was hardly even a fire.

I don't have a problem with your refutation of the missile theory, and agree with your analysis in this regard.

However, could you please explain how the 2000 lb piece of engine ended up over a mile from the rest of the completely buried plane crash remains?

How about a little less patronizing arrogance, OK?

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Is smokey backroom bad?

[Polycarp]

Should we learn that the military did, indeed, have to shoot down a passenger plane... who benefits from that knowledge?

This info has been made public in the domestic and foreign press.

Do we ignore it?

It accurately relates what has been known locally since 9/11.

I do not know where the "right to know" regarding a 2 year old attack ends, and morally appropriate silence begins.

[Timesink]

However, could you please explain how the 2000 lb piece of engine ended up over a mile from the rest of the completely buried plane crash remains?

It's entirely possible that during the cockpit fight for control of the plane, the airplane went through maneuvers that put stresses on the fuselage far beyone what it designed to withstand, and it simply fell off.

In any case, when a plane's going ~500mph at the point of impact, finding a piece of the wreckage a single mile away from the main impact zone is not merely possible, it's to be expected.

[Polycarp]

I don't think that it is 'tinfoil' time to discuss this article (in light of the eyewitness accounts that were reported in the Somerset area).

Neither do I. What was most striking was the accuracy and consistency of this reporter's story with what has been said locally consistently since 9/11.

[Timesink]

Is smokey backroom bad?

It's the place for Discussions That Never End, threads on topics so controversial that they almost instantly devolve into pissing matches that will never, ever be settled. Such as this one.

[Polycarp]

Now this is the kind of explanation I had hoped to see. Good analysis. Thank you.

[Cindy]

re post No 5: "More happened here than we have been told."

Now Polycarp, I'm not into conspiracy theories. It is know that shooting down Flight 93 MIGHT have to be an option, but it never happened because the plane crashed first. IF someone has evidence that the military pilots and the government officials are lying about the Flight 93 incident; please post it here. Source your information please. Thank you.

[Cindy]

Re Post No.11: "The public is much better embracing the "hero" story of Flight 93 in any case."

I disagree with you. The non-pc, non-brain dead, THINKING public can handle the truth --- whatever the truth is. If you have evidence that we shot down Flight 93; then please post your evidence and source your information. Thank you.

[PeaceBeWithYou]

From The Post-Gazette News-September 16, 2001:

2 planes had no part in crash of Flight 93

Two other airplanes were flying near the hijacked United Airlines jet when it crashed in Somerset County, but neither had anything to do with the airliner's fate, the FBI said yesterday.

In fact, one of the planes, a Fairchild Falcon 20 business jet, was directed to the crash site to help rescuers. The request for the jet to fly low and obtain the coordinates for the crash explains reports by people in the vicinity who said a white or silver jet flew by moments after the crash.

A C-130 military cargo plane was also within 25 miles of the passenger jet when it crashed, FBI spokesman Bill Crowley said yesterday, but was not diverted.

"There was a hole in the ground -- that was it," said Yates Caldwell, the pilot who was at the controls of the 10-passenger corporate jet for Greensboro, N.C.-based apparel maker VF Corp. "There was no way to know what it was .... I didn't know there had been a crash until I landed, until I was on the ground in Johnstown."

[hmmmmm]

I do not know where the "right to know" regarding a 2 year old attack ends, and morally appropriate silence begins.

I don't know either and I'm not questioning the validity of anything you've said. Perhaps, in this case, the "morally appropriate silence" is personal.... there's no right or wrong answer.

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Greetings Polycarp:
Are you a local too? Otherwise how do you know they've been embellished?
No, I’m not from the area. However, I’m quite used to embellished stories, being a fire/rescue type. Often, I've wondered if I was at the same incident, just a week later. :)