[Fester Chugabrew]

". . . creationism currently has no evidence to support it."

Creationism has a universe to observe, doesn't it? How's that for a first step? Would you consider this necessary to presenting evidence of any kind?

The universe both creationists and evolutionists are given to observe has design in it, right? I've asked you this before and have yet to get a straight answer. Are there things that have the attributes of "design" in the world or not? Does design even exist?

Now before you try to assume where I am going from here, I need to know if you accept these two things as fact. 1.) That the universe exists, and 2.) that it has design in it. Once we're on the same page with these two things, I will proceed in the discussion with you.

[Condorman]

I need to know if you accept these two things as fact. 1.) That the universe exists, and 2.) that it has design in it.

I think you're getting ahead of the debate. First we need to define our terms. Like "design," for example.

Answer me this: What characteristics would a designed universe exhibit that would allow one to distinguish it from an undesigned universe?

[tpaine]

Now before you try to assume where I am going from here, I need to know if you accept these two things as fact.
1.) That the universe exists, and
2.) that it has design in it.
Once we're on the same page with these two things, I will proceed in the discussion with you.
2541 -fester-

How droll. You attempt to frame/limit the discussion to the issue as you see it.

1.) Yes fester, -- the universe exists.
2.) No one can know, - yet, -- whether it has a design to it.

You 'suppose' that it does have a design, - I see no evidence, yet, of that being a fact.
So please, do not try to make your supposition, your faith, into a political issue.